Prabhupāda: Bhakti, pure bhakti: anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam (Brs. 1.1.11). No desire from the part of the devotee. Jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam, ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānuśīlanam (CC Madhya 19.167). What Kṛṣṇa likes, that we should do. Kṛṣṇa likes that you surrender. We should surrender. That's all. That is the beginning of bhakti. If you don't surrender, you keep your individuality, that is not bhakti.
Guest (1): There is no bhakti without...
Prabhupāda: That is not... Bhakti may be there, but it is not pure cent percent bhakti.
Guest (1): It is not pure bhakti.
Prabhupāda: Surrendering means you commit the suicide of your ego before Him.
Guest (1): No suicide in this.
Prabhupāda: No, surrender means surrender. Now you can interpret in a different way.
Guest (1): That is my interpretation.
Prabhupāda: But why should you interpret? Surrender means you surrender.
Guest (1): But what surrender? Not the body...
Prabhupāda: No, whatever you have got...
Guest (1): Your individuality. Your individuality means your ego. So ego surrendering.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.
Guest (1): Surrender is embracing the...
Prabhupāda: You are not only ego. You are combination of so many things.
Dr. Patel: But ego is the master of the whole thing.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): After all, ego is the president of all aggregate.
Prabhupāda: That surrender has been explained by Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. He has written a nice song. Mānasa, deho, geho, jo kichu mora. It is very easy to understand.
Guest (1): Yes, yes.
Prabhupāda:
mānasa, deho, geho, jo kichu mora
arpiluṅ tuwā pade, nanda-kiśora!
Guest (1): Nanda-kiśora. Correct, correct.
Prabhupāda: "Nanda-kiśora, what I have got? I have got a restless mind and I have got my family, home, wife, children, and this body. This is my possessions. I am not the proprietor of the whole world or universe. But I am pro... I suppose, I think like that, that I have got a mind, think like nonsense and do like nonsense, and I have got this body, and I have got my family. So everything I surrender." This is surrender. Don't think anything else, what Kṛṣṇa does not like. That is first surrender. No reservation, that "So much I surrender to Kṛṣṇa, and I contemplate like this, like that, like that." That is not surrender.
Guest (1): That is not surrender.
Guest (2): And what about desires?
Prabhupāda: Desire, this is desire. This is desire, that you don't make your desire: "Kṛṣṇa, come. I'll see You." No, don't make that desire. If Kṛṣṇa likes, He will make His, I mean to say, audience before you. A devotee never says that "Kṛṣṇa, please come. I'll see You."
Dr. Patel: (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Yes. There are many songs: "O my dear Kṛṣṇa, please come dancing with Your flute. I will see." These are not devotees' songs. Kṛṣṇa will never say, uh, devotee will never say, order. No more.
Dr. Patel: Devotees are... The real devotees are gopīs.
Prabhupāda: Simply he's to carry the order. He's not to make orders. That is devotee. Everyone, in the material world, they worship demigods—why? Because they can order, "Please give me this. Please give me that." Rūpaṁ dehi, bhāryāṁ dehi, yaśo dehi, this dehi, this dehi, dehi... Therefore they go to demigods. But to Kṛṣṇa he cannot demand. And therefore they do not go; they do not become Vaiṣṇavas. You see? You'll see, all the devotees of Lord Śiva, they demanded something. "My dear Lord Śiva, you are so nice. Please give me this." "What do you want?" "Now, I shall touch anyone's head and head will be cut off." "All right, that's all." These things you cannot get from Kṛṣṇa. These things you cannot get from Kṛṣṇa. Therefore people do not go to Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Patel: Kṛṣṇa is a more hard taskmaster.
Prabhupāda: Because He cannot acc... He is God! He cannot accept anyone's order. That is God. If somebody accepts my order, he's not God. He's my servant. Or I make him my servant. That is surrender. No more ordering. God is not order-supplier. Although He supplies everything, but not... You cannot order. You cannot order.
Guest (1): According to His will.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He knows everything. Sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭaḥ (BG 15.15). He knows what you want. And He's always... Aiye. He knows what is your want. Just like father know what is the want of the child. But the child never orders father, "Give me this."
Guest (1): Nowadays, children order. They...
Prabhupāda: No, he's simply surrendered to father. He's confident, "My father is there. Everything is all right."
Guest (2): Surrender then, that is not even my family, even I myself, I...
Prabhupāda: Therefore Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura says, "My family also I surrender."
Guest (2): Then there is no remainder, my family. When I surrender...
Prabhupāda: Yes. Actually, it is not... You are thinking... It is an illusion. You are illusioned that you are maintaining them. That is an illusion.
Guest (1): And illusion is māyā.
Prabhupāda: You are not maintaining. You are not maintaining. Just like I am, I am...
Dr. Patel: That is you find out.
Prabhupāda: No, that...
Guest (1): Then what you'll surrender?
Prabhupāda: You are individual soul, part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Ahaṁ brahmāsmi.
Guest (2): When I say, "I surrender you," what "I" means.
Prabhupāda: You are individual soul.
Dr. Patel: You are ego.
Prabhupāda: Not ego. You are individual soul.
Guest (1): Ego is one part of this.
Prabhupāda: Ego is another covering.
Dr. Patel: Covering of the ego you surrender, then the soul surrenders automatically.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Covering... Ego is covering of the pure soul. So you are pure soul. That is ahaṁ brahmāsmi. "I am Brahman. I am not this covering." This covering, bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ khaṁ mano buddhir eva ca ahaṅkāra (BG 7.4). These are coverings.
Guest (1): They are coverings.
Prabhupāda: Material. Even up to ahaṅkāra.
Dr. Patel: Saṅghaṭas cetanaṁ dhṛtiḥ (?).
Prabhupāda: That is, that is also material. So... When one realizes that "I am not this. I am pure soul, part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa," that is, that surrender is nice. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati... (BG 18.54).
Guest (1): Samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu...
Prabhupāda: Mad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām (BG 18.54).
Dr. Patel: Samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu.
Prabhupāda: Yes, samaḥ means he knows that "All these individual souls, they're all part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa."
Guest (1): He's fully abiding in Him.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu. So they are, therefore they try, everyone, to bring to Kṛṣṇa. That is service.
Dr. Patel: The asamatā is māyā.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: When you consider different...
Prabhupāda: So a devotee, therefore, goes everywhere and begs, "Please become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Please become surrendered to Kṛṣṇa." That's all.