Hṛdayānanda: If he's in ignorance, what is the value of the offering?
Umāpati: That is true.
Hṛdayānanda: He needs a spiritual master.
Umāpati: Yes.
Prabhupāda: You cannot do anything in ignorance.
Umāpati: But then the spiritual master gives him knowledge . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Umāpati: . . . and then from that knowledge he becomes aware that . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Umāpati: . . . Kṛṣṇa is in the offering.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hṛdayānanda: Jaya.
Yaśomatīnandana: Spiritual master gives knowledge, and then a disciple is eternally indebted to spiritual master.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Yaśomatīnandana: It is not that, like Māyāvādīs, they serve the spiritual master in the beginning and then they . . .
Prabhupāda: Then they . . .
Yaśomatīnandana: . . . themselves become . . .
Prabhupāda: . . . throw him away, "Go away. I have now learned." Guru-mara-vidyā, to . . . the knowledge of how to kill guru. (laughs) Guru-mara-vidyā.
Their . . . the philosophy is that you cannot rise up; you take a ladder. But as soon as you rise, throw away the ladder. No more. No more needed. That is Māyāvāda philosophy. Our philosophy is, dhyāyan stuvaṁs tasya yaśas tri-sandhyam (Śrī Gurv-aṣṭaka 8).
Yaśomatīnandana: Three . . .
Prabhupāda: Eternally.
Yaśomatīnandana: Somebody told me, Prabhupāda, about Vallabhācārya, that he sometimes . . . he once went to Lord Caitanya and said that he wrote a better commentary than a previous ācārya, and Lord . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. Śrīdhara Svāmī.
Yaśomatīnandana: Lord Caitanya chastised him?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Karandhara: An unchaste wife who abandons a svāmī.