Dr. Arnold Toynbee: There was a Greek called Heliodorus. I think it was put up a monument showing he'd become a Hindu, in religion.
Prabhupāda: No, five thousand years ago—I do not know what is your study—the all over the world there was Vedic culture.
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes, yes.
Prabhupāda: All over the world. Now, gradually, new type of religious system or culture came in. Just like very recently, India is divided into Pakistan and Hindustan. So, say twenty years ago or say twenty-five years, there was no such thing. All parts of India was the Hindustan. But now they have made Pakistan. And few days after there will be some other "stan." This is going on.
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Pakistan is also now divided.
Śyāmasundara: Yes.
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: And also Indonesia, and they're . . . on the surface they're Muslims, but underneath they're Hindu. There's been . . .
Prabhupāda: I have been in Indonesia.
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: You've also . . . yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Their culture is Hindu culture. But by religion they have accepted Muslim. They still, their names are Hindu names.
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes, yes.
Prabhupāda: Names are Hindu. There Garuḍa, Garuḍa. The airway is Garuḍa.
Śyāmasundara: Garuḍa Airlines.
Prabhupāda: Garuḍa is the carrier of Viṣṇu.
Śyāmasundara: Śrīla Prabhupāda . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes?
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: I've seen their shadow plays, and all the subjects and the heroes are from the Indian history, the Indian epics, not from Muslim. So . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: They all have two names. They have a Sanskrit name and an Arabic name, isn't it?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes. I've also been in . . .
Prabhupāda: And Java. Java, they are Hindus. Java. Still. In Indonesia also, there are many Hindus. They have got their Vedic way of worship. They accept Viṣṇu.
Dr. Arnold Toynbee: Yes.