Guest: What is realization?
Prabhupāda: Realization, everything is realization. If you can do business well, that is also realization.
Guest: Realization of God.
Prabhupāda: Then you, if you want...
Guest: Realization of God.
Prabhupāda: Realization of God, (Hindi), bhaktyā mām abhijānāti (BG 18.55). So if you want to know me, then bhaktyā, bhakti. (Hindi) Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ. If you want to know God really, then you have to take this path, bhakti. If you want something else, that is a different thing.
- yānti-deva vratā devān
- pitṟn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ
- bhūtejyā yānti bhūtāni
- mad-yājino 'pi yānti mām
- (BG 9.25)
(Hindi conversation for some time)
Prabhupāda: Find out this verse. (Hindi) Somebody, you can read? (rings bell) (more Hindi) Somebody... Why don't you send? What they are doing? All these rascals, that they cannot read.
Devotee: Someone should come in?
Prabhupāda: Yes. But they do not know that somebody should remain here. Why are there? What they are doing there?
Hari-śauri: Harikeśa is typing. Pradyumna is reading Sanskrit books.
Prabhupāda: Send Pradyumna immediately. Kleśo 'dhikarataras teṣām avyaktasakta-cetasam. Kleśa. Beginning with kleśa. You could not? Kleśa. K-l-e-s. Why don't you come here? And who will find out? Come here.
Devotee: Kleśo 'dhikarataras teṣām?
Prabhupāda: Why do you say that you do not find? Find out. They are not accustomed. Kleśo'dhikataras teṣām avyaktāsakta-cetasām (BG 12.5). (Hindi) Read it.
- kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām
- avyaktā hi gatir duḥkhaṁ
- dehavadbhir avāpyate
- (BG 12.5)
Prabhupāda: Ah. Avyaktā hi gatir duḥkham. (Hindi) Read it.
Pradyumna: "For those whose minds are attached to the unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Supreme, advancement is very troublesome. To make progress in that discipline is always difficult for those who are embodied."
Prabhupāda: Yes. (Hindi) You are expecting happiness by thinking of impersonal form of the Lord. That is not possible. You simply get troubles, that's all. (Hindi) What is the purport?
Pradyumna: "The group of transcendentalists who follow the path of the inconceivable, unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Supreme Lord are called jñāna-yogis, and persons who are in full Kṛṣṇa consciousness, engaged in devotional service to the Lord are called bhakti-yogis. Now here the difference between jñāna-yoga and bhakti-yoga is definitely expressed."
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa personally says bhaktyā mām abhijānāti (BG 18.55). (Hindi) If you like to tolerate adi-kleśa, that is your choice. Otherwise, Bhagavān, sac-cid-ānanda...
- śrī vigrahārādhana-nitya-nānā-
- yuktasya bhaktāṁś ca niyuñjato 'pi
- vande guroḥ śrī-caraṇāravindam **
- (Hindi) You can accept any way. That is your choice.
- tābhir ya eva nija-rūpatayā kalābhiḥ
- goloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūto
- govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi
- (Bs. 5.37)
Ānanda-cinmaya-rasa vigraha. Sac-cid-ānanda vigraha (Bs. 5.1). (Hindi conversation for some time)