Guest (1): I think you are absolutely right. (laughing) Psychologically, somehow or other, anything that is...
Prabhupāda: And long, long ago, in the beginning, one friend wrote. I replied in that letter, that "You have finished your cows. You are importing powdered milk. Now you have to import brāhmaṇas also from America. (laughter)
Guest (1): True, absolutely true.
Prabhupāda: Now, you see that we are establishing so many temples. They are being maintained by imported American brāhmaṇas. You cannot get.
Guest (1): Same thing in Aurobindo. I went to Pondicherry also this...
Prabhupāda: You cannot get here now brāhmaṇas. They have learned how to eat meat, how to drink, how to have illicit sex. They are finished.
Guest (1): No more brāhmaṇas. You are right. That's tragedy. That's a fact.
Prabhupāda: (Hindi)
Guest (2): Some of them must be non-greedy, not greedy, eh?
Prabhupāda: There are many good men. It is not that simply brāhmaṇas have gone to hell, but everyone has gone.
Guest (1): (indistinct) has failed.
Prabhupāda: Kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ. (Hindi) Śamo damas titikṣā ārjavam, jñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyaṁ brahma-karma... (BG 18.42). (Hindi) Nobody's... (Hindi)
Guest (1): No, the other day I was with Natalia in Japan, and he also said the same thing, that we have no training for the leaders. And because there is no proper leadership, everything comes to a zero. You have to train a man or a woman for a particular work. That is not being done in India.
Guest (2): British did it.
Guest (1): They made their servants quite all right.
Prabhupāda: They wanted for graft, to manipulate their empire. They wanted some subordinate hands. They never wanted to give real education.
Guest (2): That's true.
Prabhupāda: They wanted that the... That is cooperation. That is one of the Gandhi's understanding, that "These people are ruling over us by our cooperation. Therefore let us noncooperate and they'll fail. They'll not be able to rule."