Prabhupāda: The same argument. If people do not become criminal, how the prison house will be maintained?
Dr. Patel: It is a prison house.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Dr. Patel: God wants the prison house to...
Guru dāsa: No, no, first there are so many criminals, and then prison house has to be built. Because there are so many, a bigger prison house has to be built.
Prabhupāda: Just like now medical science is improving means hospital increasing. That means people are becoming more diseased. And they are taking it advanced.
Dr. Patel: No, no, modern advancement is required, even hospitals. So modern medicine is always preventative.
Prabhupāda: Stop disease; otherwise where is improvement? (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) ...poetry, kṛṣṇa-bahirmukha hañā bhoga vāñchā kare, nikaṭa-stha māyā tāre jāpaṭiyā dhare (Prema-vivarta). As soon as the living entity desires sense gratification, immediately māyā captures.
Dr. Patel: That is what I want. I really meant. Man is producing the desire. You cannot...
Prabhupāda: (break) ...sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi.
Dr. Patel: New (indistinct), do you mean to say?
Prabhupāda: No, old (indistinct), everything. Yes, all, all squared up, all accounts squared up. Begin new chapter of your life. Sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate (BG 14.26). As soon as one begins devotional service, he shall be clean of all sinful reactions. Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Patel: So why not stay for a longer time here?
Prabhupāda: Nobody comes to hear.
Dr. Patel: When you are staying here in Bombay your health does improve very well.
Prabhupāda: No, Bombay I like very well. Because I like Bombay and this beach, I was so much persistent for get this land. That is the history. Every one of my disciples, they declined. I insisted, "I must possess this land." And Nair was thinking that "This man has no money, so just involve him, and whatever money he gives us, I take it."
Dr. Patel: But before he could sell, he died, poor fellow.
Prabhupāda: And now?
Dr. Patel: He died, no?
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) And when she decided to kill Kṛṣṇa, she was killed.
Dr. Patel: And Kṛṣṇa gave...
Prabhupāda: Yes, she got good fortune.