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So simply suffering is not a qualification for becoming God conscious then?

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"So simply suffering is not a qualification for becoming God conscious then"

Conversations and Morning Walks

1976 Conversations and Morning Walks

Why suffering? Where is suffering? What you are suffering? We are God conscious. We are suffering?
Morning Walk -- May 29, 1976, Honolulu:

Devotee (3): It is just like a person who wants to turn all the metal in the world into gold. He may be wishing and desiring to turn everything into gold, but actually it is not possible. So therefore they say that we want to be protected against the onslaught of material nature. But actually that will never happen. So therefore they create God in this way. Or some person who wants to turn all the metal into gold, but actually it's not possible.

Prabhupāda: But what you are doing? You are also doing everything hoping that you'll feel happy. Practically you're not doing anything. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Devotee (2): They think that everything was created just so that we could enjoy for a few years and then die.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Unless they have solved the problems of death, all their hopes are useless. (break) ...is Sada? What is that?

Hari-śauri: Sadaputa.

Prabhupāda: Sadaputa. He has said nicely that "They depend on chance. We depend on God." That's all. (break) Some dress? No, bird (indistinct)

Devotee (2): No, they have some bathing trunks on.

Hari-śauri: Sometimes they wear like a rubber suit. Something like the scales of a fish. It keeps them.... (laughing)

Devotee (2): Aldous Huxley liked to think of the idea that there's no controller, so that he could enjoy without the feeling of guilt.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the whole idea. Thieves and rogues, they think "If there's no government, then we can do whatever we like." Who is there of the thieves and rogues?

Hari-śauri: That description's given when after the brāhmaṇas killed King Vena, they saw a great huge dust cloud on the horizon from all the thieves and rogues rushing back into the kingdom (laughing) when there was no ruler.

Devotee (2): Why doesn't he come to his senses there and then that "What have I done? Why don't I become God conscious?"

Prabhupāda: That is māyā. Just like they surfer. What is that? They are in hell. But they have no sense that "What you are enjoying? It is hell." They are thinking they are enjoying. Is that enjoyment? It is actually hell. But he's thinking he's enjoying. That is called māyā. He's accepting something what is not. That is māyā. Hog eating stool, and he's thinking he's enjoying. This is called māyā. There are different grades of suffering, and still they are thinking they are enjoying.

Devotee (3): To really enjoy life you have to suffer a little bit...

Prabhupāda: He doesn't know what is enjoyment. That is the...

Devotee (2): So simply suffering is not a qualification for becoming God conscious then?

Prabhupāda: Ha?

Devotee (2): Simply to suffer is not qualification for becoming God conscious?

Prabhupāda: Why suffering? Where is suffering? What you are suffering? We are God conscious. We are suffering?

Devotee (2): No. No. Ah...

Hari-śauri: He means for approaching God consciousness.

Devotee (2): It is a prerequisite.

Prabhupāda: I do not under...

Devotee (2): So we see that, in other words, when someone goes to hell...

Prabhupāda: But he does not take it as suffering. Take it as enjoyment.

Hari-śauri: Once you understand it's, ah...

Prabhupāda: Unfortunate that they're taking suffering as enjoyment. This is called māyā. māyā vase yaccho vese kacho haba... Surfer, he is struggling against the waves, and they're thinking it is enjoyment. Chance of being drowned, being attacked by some sea animals. It is always risky and suffering. And still they're thinking enjoyment. But they're coming from far distant place to enjoy this.

Page Title:So simply suffering is not a qualification for becoming God conscious then?
Compiler:SunitaS, Rishab
Created:09 of Aug, 2011
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