Prabhupāda: Oh. (break) ...Dakṣa accused Nārada that "My sons were not out of the three kinds of debts." One debt is debtor to the saintly sages. Just like we are reading Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, we are indebted to Vyāsadeva. He has given such literature, and we are taking advantage of it. As such, especially the brāhmaṇas, they have got indebtedness to big sages and saintly person. They receive knowledge from them. And they are indebtor to the demigods. Therefore they have to perform yajñas. And they are indebtor to their father because the father has brought them to this world. So in this way, especially a brāhmaṇa is indebted to demigods, the past sages, and the father. So the indebtedness to the sages is performed by becoming brahmacārī, and to the demigods by offering sacrifices, and to the father by begetting children, to continue the progeny. So Nārada Muni was accused that "You keep them indebted to these principles, so how they can be liberated? Simply by dressing like you, (laughs) a mendicant?" Accusing. But perhaps he did not know. There is another version in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam,
- devarṣi-bhūtāpta-nṛṇāṁ pitṛṇāṁ
- nāyam ṛṇī na ca kiṅkaro rājan
- sarvātmanā yaḥ śaraṇaṁ saraṇyaṁ
- gato mukunda parihṛtya...
- (SB 11.5.41)
Anyone who has fully surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, he is no more debtor to anyone. And Kṛṣṇa says that "You surrender to Me, and I shall keep you protected from all kinds of..." Because if you don't repay your debts, then you become sinful. But Kṛṣṇa says, "I shall protect for all kinds of sin." So if anyone has surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, he is no more debtor to anyone. He is immune from all obligation. His only obligation is to Kṛṣṇa. (break) ...has eaten up this?
Brahmānanda: This tree? (break)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes when we're reading Bhāgavatam about the prajāpatis... They are such exalted persons.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. They are no ordinary person.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yet sometimes they behave in such a way that is...
Prabhupāda: That is... After all, they are living entity, conditioned. They are also conditioned. They are not liberated.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They're not pure devotees.
Prabhupāda: No. They want enjoyment, material.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Still, they're entrusted with very big posts.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Satsvarūpa: But Lord Brahmā, he's a prajāpati.
Prabhupāda: He is the chief prajāpati.
Satsvarūpa: Isn't he a pure devotee?
Prabhupāda: No.
Satsvarūpa: And yet he composed the Brahma-saṁhitā.
Prabhupāda: Yes, he is devotee, not to the topmost extent.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes we hear that Lord Brahmā incarnated as Ṭhākura Haridāsa.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Satsvarūpa: Sometimes devotees say, "Then how come he's the head of our sampradāya if he's not a pure devotee?"
Prabhupāda: It doesn't require. He is a devotee. That's all right. There are grades of devotee, but on the whole, a devotee is very exalted person. Just like gopīs. Nobody can be compared with the gopīs. There are so many grades of devotees, but they are ultimate. And amongst the gopīs, Rādhārāṇī. So there is no comparison, no more... Even Kṛṣṇa is defeated there. Kṛṣṇa became Caitanya Mahāprabhu to understand the devotion of Rādhārāṇī. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu. (break) (About something by the path:) ...queen. Elizabeth? No. Queen or king?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is there a plaque there?
Brahmānanda: It's a symbol for something.
Harikeśa: They usually make justice to be like that. (break)
Satsvarūpa: Allegorical.
Prabhupāda: Allegorical?
Satsvarūpa: It's not a historial person. One lady represents learning, another... They represent different things.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All, women. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...imperson.
Brahmānanda: Cupid is there, and it is marked "love."
Prabhupāda: Oh. (break) (To Harikeśa, who has been coughing throughout:) ...not taking any medicine?
Harikeśa: No.
Prabhupāda: This continuing is not good.
Harikeśa: I stopped eating anything but fruit, and that's what I did. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...examined your chest?
Harikeśa: No.
Prabhupāda: Oh, you should examine your chest. Some congestion in the lungs. (break)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, around our society now there are many devotees who are following different kinds of diets. They read some book and they get some idea. They follow...
Prabhupāda: This is not good.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And one of the things I see about the unique feature of all the diets that they have in common is that the devotees more or less stop taking the prasādam which is offered to the Deity.
Prabhupāda: This is not good.