Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: I think the nondevotees would like to be classified in one of those four categories.
Prabhupāda: But they are. They may not, they may like or not like, it doesn't matter, but they are. (break)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: ...that even persons who come to Kṛṣṇa with material desires, although...
Prabhupāda: They are pious.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So is it to be understood that a very simple person who has all kinds of material desires, if he approaches God...?
Prabhupāda: Because he has approached God, therefore he's pious. Even though he has got material desires. Akāmaḥ sarva-kāmo vā mokṣa-kāma (SB 2.3.10). One day, he'll become devotee. Just like Dhruva Mahārāja. He went to search God for some material benefit, but when he became perfect, he became pure devotee. (break)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: ...are better off than the godless philosophers and jñānīs? These people are better off than the mental speculator jñānīs?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, oh, yes, thousand times. (break) ...gentleman has not come?
Devotee: Yesterday? No. Bhāgya.
Prabhupāda: So 'haṁ bhāgya (Hindi conversation)
Indian: (break) ...initiated devotee, and he follows those four regulative principles and chants sixteen rounds, will he go back to Godhead?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Mām evaiśyasi asaṁśaya. Kṛṣṇa says. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru mām evaiśyasi asaṁśaya (BG 18.65). Asaṁśaya, without any doubt.
Indian: But by taking initiation, will that speed up the process?
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: I inquired yesterday. (break)
Satsvarūpa: ...professor who's going to see you tonight, Professor O'Connell, he wrote a book review of Dr. Judah's book about our movement. And he said it was a very sympathetic book, Dr. Judah's, he said, and a little bit too sympathetic on one point. He made his statement. He thinks that our movement, the way we deny the flesh, he said, he called, "denying the flesh," it tends to make us a little cold in our relations to each other, and people in the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement are denying the natural affection that is somehow connected with the flesh.