So cheating and like that, what mode is that?

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"So cheating and like that, what mode is that"

1972 Conversations and Morning Walks

Cheating is mixed up passion and ignorance. Just like one man cheats other. That means he wants to obtain something. He's passionate. But he commits some murder. He does not know that "I'll have to suffer for it." So it is a mixture of passion and ignorance.

Talk with Bob Cohen -- February 27-29, 1972, Mayapura:

Bob: So cheating and like that, what mode is that?

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Bob: Cheating.

Prabhupāda: Cheating is mixed up passion and ignorance. Just like one man cheats other. That means he wants to obtain something. He's passionate. But he commits some murder. He does not know that "I'll have to suffer for it." So it is a mixture of passion and ignorance.

Bob: And what about when somebody helps another person?

Prabhupāda: That is goodness.

Bob: Why is that goodness? What intelligence is that? I mean, is,... This represents knowledge of what? You said that goodness is when you have knowledge, intelligence.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Bob: So helping another person...

Prabhupāda: That means he's ignorant, you're trying to enlighten him.

Bob: So giving intelligence...

Prabhupāda: Yes, that is goodness.

Bob: What about just giving assistance, like you give...?

Prabhupāda: That is also goodness.

Bob: To a beggar who has nothing you give alms.

Prabhupāda: Um hmm. So that is goodness. But still... Just like in your Bowery Street, they give some charity, and immediately he purchases one bottle of wine and drinks and lie down flat. (laughter) So that is charity... That is not goodness, that is ignorance.