Harikeśa: So the mind of a devotee is based on the activities of his spiritual practices.
Prabhupāda: Mind of a devotee is upon Kṛṣṇa. So what they will understand, that mind is in Kṛṣṇa? What they will understand?
Harikeśa: So according to different transcendental emotions, the mind will be agitated or calm or...?
Prabhupāda: It is not mind. It is spirit soul. You also do not understand.
Harikeśa: That's a fact.
Prabhupāda: Spiritual platform is different. But the spiritual activities expressed through mind, through body, through intelligence. That's it.
Harikeśa: Yes. So that will bewilder them, this expression.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Harikeśa: This expression through the..., it will bewilder them.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Siddha-svarūpa: See, the materialist is seeing that everyone is agitated, so the goal in their life is cessation of that agitation. They want to merge or cease their existence. They want to go into nothingness. So...
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is their...
Siddha-svarūpa: ...this is what they're looking for. The transcendental meditator goes in so that the gauge doesn't make any motion. But a rock, if you put that same gauge on a rock it also doesn't make motion. Does that mean the rock is spiritual or that he's more advanced than someone else?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Siddha-svarūpa: You see? They're saying that perfection is no motion. They're saying that perfection is inactivity. So they already have in their mind what they think is perfect, and then they're going to see if this method helps a person to achieve calmness or whatever they're calling perfection.
Prabhupāda: That is that Buddha philosophy, nirvāṇa. Nirvāṇa, stop all activities. Buddha philosophy.