Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: So?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So why don't you develop?
Prabhupāda: That's a fact. Aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham (Bs. 5.35). Even within the atom there is living entity. Just like within the seed there is living entity, and when the seed gets favorable circumstances, the life is there. It fructifies. Different seeds, different life.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: This is true only, though, in the earth planet. In the earth.
Prabhupāda: Earth?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: In this planet.
Prabhupāda: Everywhere. Jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi. Everywhere there is water and there is... That's all.
Brahmānanda: But there is not water on every planet.
Prabhupāda: That is rascals' theory, all rascal. Wherever there is planet, there is water, there is everything. If there is no water, where from the sand comes? Scientifically? What is the sand? Hm?
Brahmānanda: The composition of sand?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Composition is silica.
Prabhupāda: Silica. What is silica?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Silica contains one atom of silicon and two atoms of oxygen, but in the case of an acid, it contains two atoms of hydrogen.
Prabhupāda: Acid is liquid.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Silicic acid?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Silicic acid, it forms with water and silicon.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So... And without water, where silica comes? They are all rascals. Wherever there is silica, there must be water, dried up or existing.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It's true, though, that there is water, but not as much as we find...
Prabhupāda: But that is another. Water must be there. Without water, there is no question of silica.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I was thinking that... Just like in the sun planet, you said the body has to be fiery, like the sun, so in that sense the...
Prabhupāda: That does not mean there is no water.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: There is water, but it's very small amount.
Prabhupāda: Small or big, that is another thing. There must be water. Even within the fire there is water.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So life has to develop through that water.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: That water, that small amount of water, the life has to develop.
Prabhupāda: There is no question of... That small amount is sufficient, according to the circumstance. Just like in the desert they don't require much water, the camels. Once drunk, they can go on the desert for three days. You cannot do that. There is water. Otherwise how watermelon is coming?
Brahmānanda: Even the cactus plants, they're able to grow, and they store the water...
Prabhupāda: Everywhere there are these... These rascals, they do not know. Everything is there, every planet.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: The five gross elements is present all the...
Prabhupāda: Kṣitir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ. Must... (aside:) Give me. Give me that.
Indian devotee (4): Still down?
Prabhupāda: Hm. (break) Everywhere there is life, there is everything, varieties. Here you see in the water there is life, in the land there is life, in the air there is life, within the silicate there is life. So many, many millions. These crabs... What is called?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Crab.
Prabhupāda: How they are living? As soon as you walk, they go within the sand.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Recently they also found out that there are some, called bacteria. They live in a very unusual circumstances. They can survive to 150 degrees. And sometimes they live inside ammonia, ammonia solution, without water. They can survive.
Prabhupāda: Not without water. There is water, but not as much. Just like on the land there is water, but in the sea there are so much water. So there is life; there is life. We don't say that in the land there is no water. Everywhere is there different. So this evolution, jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi, it has developed the same way. The first life comes out... Then everywhere there is life. The transportation from higher planet to lower planet, water.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Water?
Prabhupāda: The rainfall. With the rainfall, those who are fallen souls, they are coming down. Then takes shelter within the atom. Then again grows.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It's interesting that science says also that in the beginning there was only hydrogen. So actually water is... Its main composition of two parts of hydrogen...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: One part of oxygen. So if the soul is coming through this water, through rain from higher planetary system...
Prabhupāda: Kṣīṇe puṇye punar martya-lokaṁ viśanti. They elevate, again fall down. This is going on. Mṛtyu-saṁsāra-vartmani (BG 9.3). Yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama (BG 15.6). But when they go to Kṛṣṇaloka, then they are... (break)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: That also corresponds with another theory, a scientific theory, is that the origin of life comes from other planets. That is one theory, not Darwin. This is not Darwin.
Prabhupāda: Darwin... Grand rascal. All speculation. Transportation I told.
- kabhu svarge uṭhāya kabhu narake ḍubāya
- daṇḍya-jane rājā yena nadīte cubāya
Just try to explain to them. (break) ...interesting. I can give you the ideas. You put in the scientific way. But whatever idea I give, that's a fact. They have stopped making propaganda about going to Mars?
Brahmānanda: Going to Mars? They've stopped propaganda?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yeah, they are a little silent.
Prabhupāda: (chuckles) Hoax. First hoax was little successful. Now they say it will not be very successful.