Prabhupāda: Just like I was speaking that the measurement of the living entity is such and such. So how God has become so small? Aṇor aṇīyān mahato mahīyān. This is... This we can simply imagine: one ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair. I don't think any scientist can have any measuring instrument.
Krishna Tiwari: I think that can be measured.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Krishna Tiwari: I think they can measure that.
Prabhupāda: How think?
Krishna Tiwari: It can be measured.
Prabhupāda: It can be measured?
Krishna Tiwari: Yes.
Prabhupāda: It can be measured; otherwise how it is said?
Krishna Tiwari: Very easily measured.
Prabhupāda: Ah! It can be measured, but they say there is no soul.
Krishna Tiwari: Scientists say there's no soul?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest: Because they don't know how to look for it.
Prabhupāda: Therefore, how they'll measure? That way it is impossible for them to measure.
Devotee: They can't find it.
Prabhupāda: They cannot find it.
Krishna Tiwari: But nobody else has.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Krishna Tiwari: Nobody else has found it.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We, I said, this is the measurement.
Krishna Tiwari: But since nobody else has found it...
Prabhupāda: Nobody else has found it, that is different thing, but the measurement is there in the śāstra.
Krishna Tiwari: How to measure it then?
Prabhupāda: How to measure, that is a different thing, but the measurement is there.
Krishna Tiwari: What is the measurement?
Prabhupāda: The one ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair.
Krishna Tiwari: Well that's very easy to measure.
Prabhupāda: So why don't you find it.
Krishna Tiwari: But that's probably the reason. Nothing is there, just a number, because...
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Krishna Tiwari: This is just a number, because one-thousandth part of hair is just a big number that...
Prabhupāda: Not one thousandth. One ten-thousandth.
Krishna Tiwari: That doesn't matter. You can make it one millionth.
Prabhupāda: How's that?
Krishna Tiwari: It will be a measure of a distance, which is very easy. That cannot be a source.
Prabhupāda: So... No. That cannot be so easy. It is definitely said, jīvaḥ bhāgasya vijñeyaḥ. Jīva means solo, soul. Soul's measurement is given there in the śāstra.
Krishna Tiwari: Yeah, but what are the... This is the... I don't know. This is the measurement, one thousandth of a...
Prabhupāda: One ten-thousandth.
Krishna Tiwari: ...of a tip of hair?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Krishna Tiwari: Well, that is... I don't understand that, because that will be, at that time I think it was all right, because people thought nobody could measure one thousandth, ten-thousandth of the tip of a hair.
Prabhupāda: I, we don't say people could not measure. People could measure. People measured; therefore it is, the measurement is given there. It is not that people could not measure. People measured it, definitely, and then gave it, "This is the measure."
Krishna Tiwari: Okay, so what you are trying to say? What symbolically it means, very small. Is that what it means? Is that what it means?
Prabhupāda: Very small..., that small part is there in every body. The soul is there. Now, they, without finding it, they say soul is nirākāra; there is no measurement. That is my point. I say there is ākāra, form.
Krishna Tiwari: There is a form of soul, according to you.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. But they say there is no form. That is my point.
Krishna Tiwari: Well, they don't know probably, at this moment. But I don't..., I..., we have trouble, at least I have trouble, in understanding whether anybody else knows about soul. According to you...
Prabhupāda: Now, so far we are laymen, we have no instrument to measure. We simply hear from the śāstra and we try to perceive, that's all. But there is something. That measurement very, may be very, very small, but there is the substance. That is our point.