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Sabda is spiritual. Originally, just like in Bible there is "Let there be creation," this sound, this spiritual sound. Creation. Creation was not there. The sound produced the creation. Therefore, sound is originally spiritual

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Conversations and Morning Walks

1969 Conversations and Morning Walks

Śabda is spiritual. Originally, just like in Bible there is "Let there be creation," this sound, this spiritual sound. Creation. Creation was not there. The sound produced the creation. Therefore, sound is originally spiritual, and through the sound . . . sound—from sound, sky develops; from sky, air develop; from air, fire develop; fire, water develop; from water, land develop.

Prabhupāda: That is very nice statement that in the Kali-yuga salvation is very easier. That is the version of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam also. But that process is this kīrtana, not LSD.

Allen Ginsberg: Well, it was . . . the reasoning there was that for those who would only accept salvation in purely material form, in chemical form finally, and completely material form . . .

Prabhupāda: Hmm. So where is the salvation when there is . . .

Allen Ginsberg: . . . that Kṛṣṇa had the humor to emerge as a pill.

Prabhupāda: No, the thing is that when it is material form . . .

Allen Ginsberg: Yes?

Prabhupāda: . . . then where it is salvation? It is illusion.

Allen Ginsberg: Well, the subjective effect is to cut . . .

Prabhupāda: No.

Allen Ginsberg: . . . attachment during the . . .

Prabhupāda: Well, if you have got attachments for something material, then where is the cut-off of attachment? LSD is a material chemical.

Allen Ginsberg: Yeah.

Prabhupāda: So if you have to take shelter of LSD, then you take, I mean to say, help from the matters. So that is . . . how you can . . . how you are free from matter?

Allen Ginsberg: Well, the subjective experience is, while in the state of intoxication of LSD, also realizing that LSD is a material pill, and that it does not really matter . . .

Prabhupāda: So that is risky. That is risky.

Allen Ginsberg: Yeah. Now so, if LSD is a material attachment, which it is, I think, then is not the sound, śabda, also a material attachment?

Prabhupāda: No, śabda is spiritual. Originally, just like in Bible there is "Let there be creation," this sound, this spiritual sound. Creation. Creation was not there. The sound produced the creation. Therefore, sound is originally spiritual, and through the sound . . . sound—from sound, sky develops; from sky, air develop; from air, fire develop; fire, water develop; from water, land develop.

Allen Ginsberg: Sound is the first element of creation?

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.

Allen Ginsberg: What was the first sound, traditionally?

Prabhupāda: Vedic states oṁ. Yes. So at least we can understand, from your Bible, that God said: "Let there be creation." So this is sound, and there is creation. God and His sound is nondifferent, absolute. I say "Mr. Ginsberg," this sound and I, a little difference. But God is nondifferent from His energy.

Nitya . . . what is called? Śakti śaktimator abhedhaḥ. Śakti, energy, and śakti-mat, the energetic, they are nondifferent. Just like fire and heat, they are nondifferent, but heat is not fire. You cannot differentiate heat from fire or fire from heat. But fire is not heat.

Allen Ginsberg: Well, the sounds, the sound kṛṣṇa . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes, is nondifferent from Kṛṣṇa.

Allen Ginsberg: . . . is not different from Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: No. Therefore, this sound Kṛṣṇa . . .

Allen Ginsberg: Under all circumstances?

Prabhupāda: Yes, all, all circumstances. But it is the question of my appreciation, or my realization. That will depend on my purity. Otherwise, this Kṛṣṇa sound and Kṛṣṇa, non-different. Therefore if we vibrate sound Kṛṣṇa, then I am immediately in contact with Kṛṣṇa, and if Kṛṣṇa is whole spirit, then immediately I become spiritualized.

Just like if you touch electricity, immediately you're electrified. And the more you become electrified, more you become Kṛṣṇa-ized. Kṛṣṇa-ized. So when you are fully Kṛṣṇa-ized, then you are in the Kṛṣṇa platform. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya (BG 4.9). Then fully Kṛṣṇa-ized, no more comes back to this material existence. He remains with Kṛṣṇa.

The impersonalists shall say "merging." So that is less intelligence. Merging does not mean losing individuality. Just like a green bird enters a green tree; it appears merging, but that bird has not lost his individuality. There is individuality. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa says in the Fourth Chapter . . . no, Second Chapter that, "I, you, Arjuna, I and all these people who have assembled, it is not that they did not exist previously, neither it is that they will not exist." That means I, you and all these persons, they were individual in the past. At the present we see it practically, and in future they'll remain individual.

And individually we are that, in our present existence, every one of us individual. You have got your individual views, I have got my individual views. We agree on common platform, that is different thing, but we are individual. That is our nature. Therefore there is disagreement sometimes. So the individuality is never lost. But our proposition, bhakti-mārga, is to keep individuality and agree with it.

Page Title:Sabda is spiritual. Originally, just like in Bible there is "Let there be creation," this sound, this spiritual sound. Creation. Creation was not there. The sound produced the creation. Therefore, sound is originally spiritual
Compiler:SharmisthaK
Created:2023-04-06, 11:56:04
Totals by Section:BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=1, Let=0
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