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Oh, you mean before (the Southeast Asia and Australia if that were one zone, it would be alright. Make it. It wouldn't be too difficult. So write, write that. What one, two, three. What is the one zone, zone number one? Eastern U.S)?

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Conversations and Morning Walks

1972 Conversations and Morning Walks

No before, and now... That is one (Southeast Asia, Australia)? They agree, everyone will agree. It is not a question. (laughter) First of all make the zone. Whatever I'll say, he'll agree. That is not the problem. First of all make up zone.
Conversation with the GBC -- May 25, 1972, Los Angeles:

Prabhupāda: So, fix up the zone.

Śyāmasundara: Well, we pretty much fixed it up, except...

Prabhupāda: So write, write. Take, take some paper. Here is paper. Here.

Śyāmasundara: I think that, that the Southeast Asia...

Prabhupāda: Take this, take this map. First of all find out the zone, what will be the zone.

Śyāmasundara: The Southeast Asia and Australia we'll join in one zone.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: The Southeast Asia and Australia if that were one zone, it would be alright.

Prabhupāda: Make it.

Śyāmasundara: It wouldn't be too difficult.

Prabhupāda: So write, write that. What one, two, three. What is the one zone, zone number one?

Śyāmasundara: Eastern U.S.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: Oh, you mean before?

Prabhupāda: No before, and now.

Śyāmasundara: Alright, Southeast Asia, Australia.

Prabhupāda: That is one?

Śyāmasundara: That is one yeah, if everyone is agreeable.

Prabhupāda: They agree, everyone will agree. It is not a question. (laughter) First of all make the zone. Whatever I'll say, he'll agree. That is not the problem. First of all make up zone.

Śyāmasundara: Alright.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Devotee: Hong Kong, North and South Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, (indistinct), Australia, New Zealand, Fiji Islands, Samoa, and Tahiti.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Devotee: Tahiti.

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) Make that one zone. Then next zone?

Devotee: (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: First of all divide the whole world. It doesn't matter who goes where but...

Devotee: India, Pakistan, (indistinct discussion), Bangladesh, (indistinct) China. Then we have the Mediterranean zone.

Prabhupāda: China, China goes to the...

Devotee: Southeast Asia?

Śyāmasundara: Far east.

Prabhupāda: Where is Japan?

Devotee: It is more north.

Prabhupāda: No, no what is the name?

Devotee: And Korea...

Prabhupāda: What we are naming? Far east?

Devotee: One zone we'll call Japan, we'll call it far east.

Prabhupāda: So, China is nearer to Japan. Is it not?

Devotee: Well it's very big.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Devotee: China is very big. It could be even more because it touches...

Prabhupāda: China is big, but we have no center (indistinct).

Devotee: Hong Kong.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Devotee: Hong Kong.

Prabhupāda: So Hong Kong under which zone?

Śyāmasundara: Well, it's very close to Manila and Manila is in part of Southeast Asia, Australia.

Prabhupāda: So Hong Kong is already zone?

Śyāmasundara: Yes.

Prabhupāda: (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: Yes.

Devotee: (indistinct-devotees entering and exiting room)

Devotee: Previously Hong Kong was part of Southeast Asia.

Prabhupāda: Now?

Devotee: Still. We linked China with Hong Kong and put it with Southeast Asia. Peking, Peking is much closer to Japan.

Prabhupāda: Divide the whole world into twelve parts. That is first.

Devotee: (indistinct-devotees converse in background for some time on map and countries)

Prabhupāda: Africa is one.

Devotee: Yes. (indistinct—more background discussion on map and countries)

Prabhupāda: Gradually this GBC, they can take assistants to help them. (indistinct) One change, Toronto, just see (indistinct) not be necessary. Take care (indistinct—more background discussion on map and countries).

Devotee: Twelve zones.

Prabhupāda: Twelve zones means?

Devotees: (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Whole world? Let me see. (reading) Southeast Asia, Australia, Japan, Korea, (indistinct), India, Central Asia, Mediterranean, Germany, Africa, South America, British Isles, Eastern Europe, Central Europe, Western Europe, (indistinct). So now you have to specifically mention Mediterranean means this. Similarly, all these center(?) should be specifically mentioned this.

Devotee: I was waiting till Śyāmasundara Prabhu came back.

Prabhupāda: Now so far division made by (indistinct), we are present. I'll represent him, that's all. And who else?

Devotee: Sudāmā Maharaja.

Prabhupāda: Eh? That was I'll represent. So...

Devotee: Gaurasundara.

Prabhupāda: Gaurasundara. He has been already agreed. Girirāja also. Those who are absent, I've written them. Now, so far Hayagrīva Prabhu is concerned, he has resigned from this. And he'll concentrate on editorial work. And Kīrtanānanda will become the president of New Vrindaban. So, that question is solved. Now, how the New Vrindaban will be managed, that we shall decide.

Devotee: We talked about that this morning, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: So Hayagriva Prabhu is exit from GBC. And now others? Sudāmā is there. So one exit and one new one, Girirāja is there. And, how many of you are now existing actually?

Devotee: There is seven here.

Prabhupāda: Seven here, eight here including Śyāmasundara. So who are those four? One Sudāmā.

Devotee: He is here.

Prabhupāda: Ah. Hamsaduta?

Devotee: Madhuvisa.

Prabhupāda: Madhuvisa is new, from the old.

Devotee: Oh.

Rūpānuga: Kṛṣṇa Dāsa.

Prabhupāda: Eh? So he is out.

Devotee: Tamāla Kṛṣṇa?

Prabhupāda: Tamal Kṛṣṇa is out. Kṛṣṇa Dāsa is out. Hayagrīva is out. So out of twelve, three out. So who are the nine?

Devotee: Sudāmā and...

Prabhupāda: Eight present here.

Devotee: Haṁsaduta.

Rūpānuga: Seven present including Hayagrīva. So...

Devotee: There's eight present and Hayagrīva's out so that makes seven.

Prabhupāda: You are three and three, six and seven. Oh, seven. So seven, Hayagrīva and present, eight, and three out. So who is the next nine?

Devotee: Haṁsaduta and Sudāmā.

Prabhupāda: Oh, Sudāmā. That is alright. Then, alright. Now three out.

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupāda: They are Hayagrīva Prabhu and Kṛṣṇa Dāsa Prabhu. Then?

Devotee: Tamāla Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: Tamāla Kṛṣṇa. So out of the three we are adding Brahmānanda, Girirāja and Madhudviṣa.

Devotee: What about Gaurasundara?

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Devotee: (indistinct) America.

Prabhupāda: Oh, Gaurasundara. So, Girirāja, Brahmānanda and Madhudviṣa we want to maintain. Then... (door opens and closes) Three candidates, four, new?

Rūpānuga: Because originally Bali-mardana had a zone but now he's with ISKCON Press so actually he doesn't have a zone any more.

Prabhupāda: Oh. He has... So you are also out. (laughter)

Devotee: It's really a difficult problem.

Prabhupāda: Ah, no problem. GBC means now they should tour very extensive. That is the first principle, the GBC. Not sit down (in) one place and pass resolution. No, they must be active. They must act like me. As I am old man, I am traveling all over the world. Now to give me relief, the GBC members... I shall expand into twelve more so that they can exactly work like me. Gradually they will be initiators. At least first initiation. You must make advance. That is my motive. So, in that way I want to divide it in twelve zones. And we have to make more propaganda throughout the whole world. Now if you think that the world is so big, twelve members are insufficient, then you can increase more than that and make the zone similarly divided. It is world affair after all.