Pradyumna: Vivikta-deśa-sevitvam aratir jana-saṁsadi (BG 13.11).
Prabhupāda: Hmm. Not to mix with ordinary men. Aratir jana, general public. Just like this, our place—only devotion. This is vivikta, aloof from this world. We have no other business except Kṛṣṇa consc..., bhakti. And aratir jana-saṁsadi, no, mean, association with ordinary person. No association. We can go and talk of some..., for our own benefit or Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise we have no business with them. Noncooperation. We go to the public for preaching, not to associate with them—to give them association, so they may be benefited. Either he may be prime minister or this or that, we have no business with them. But for our purpose we go. Big, big karmīs, Life Member. So we have no personal concern, but for their benefit we go there. Their hard-earned money, if something is spent for this purpose, he'll be benefited. This is our... Otherwise we have no business with them. Aratir jana-saṁsadi. Then?
- etaj jñānam...(BG 13.12).
Prabhupāda: Etaj jñānam: these are knowledge. This is education. Then?
Pradyumna: Ajñānaṁ yad ato 'nyathā.
Prabhupāda: Anything apart from this, they're all rascaldom. Bās. That is again confirmed by Caitanya Mahāprabhu, vidyā-madhye kṛṣṇa... What is that?
Satsvarūpa: That same one? Kon vidyā vidyā-madhye sāra, rāya kahe-kṛṣṇa-bhakti vinā vidyā nāhi āra.
Prabhupāda: Āra. So these things will be accepted by kṛṣṇa-bhakta, etaj jñānam. So whatever Kṛṣṇa has said, that is knowledge, vidyā. Everything nonsense. Therefore so boldly we say, "All rascal nonsense. Never mind it." That's a fact. That is a fact. Anyone... Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ (SB 5.18.12). Anyone who is not devotee of Kṛṣṇa, bhagavad-bhakta—useless. Jaḍa-bidyā jato māyāra vaibhava, jībake karaye gādhā. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has said. By this so-called material education one is already gādhā, go-khara, dehātma-buddhi, and he becomes still more, another staunch gādhā. Now if you speak the straight truth, they'll be angry. Mūrkhāyopadeśo hi. But this is fact.
Jayapatākā: You can speak, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: I speak. I said in Melbourne, "United Nation is association of barking dogs."
Jayapatākā: You have that expert quality.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I cannot check myself.
Pradyumna: You say that. You get so angry at seeing it, you...
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Krodha bhakta-dveṣi-jane (Prema-bhakti-candrikā). That is Narottama Ṭhākura's instruction. You must be very angry, those who are against God and devotee. Very angry. Utilize your anger for them. Krodha bhakta-dveṣi-jane. That anger is service. Kṛṣṇa-sebā kāmārpaṇe. For Kṛṣṇa's service one should be mad. Kāma-krodha should be given up, but a bhakta does not give up. Utilize it. A bhakta should be very much kamut(?) for serving Kṛṣṇa. And he must utilize his anger for the bhakta-dveṣi, those who are not devotee. Kāma kṛṣṇa-kāmārpaṇe krodha bhakta-dveṣi-jane (Prema-bhakti-candrikā). We have nothing to give up like Māyāvādī—kāma, krodha, lobha, moha, mātsarya. Mātsarya may... That has to be... A bhakta cannot be envious. If a bhakta is angry upon them, that is not envious; that is for good. A bhakta should not be envious. Otherwise how he can preach? He's merciful. Even if he's angry, it is mercy. Therefore this mātsarya has no use for bhakta. Other things, they have use: kāma, krodha, lobha, moha. Not mātsarya. Mātsarya is very bad.