Indian man: In the elementary way, if he starts. . .
Prabhupāda: What is that elementary way?
Indian man: Half-heartedly.
Prabhupāda: No, no, what is that process elementary?
Indian man (3): In the dvaita way. In the dvaita way, not in the advaita way, assuming that He is different and I am different. That is the elementary way of starting worship.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is always. Why elementary?
Indian man (3): He is considering in that way.
Indian man: No, no. Assuming there had been, supposing bhakti-yoga . . .
Prabhupāda: Bhakti-yoga . . . first of all try to understand what is bhakti-yoga.
Indian man (3): In the beginning it's relatively easy to be. . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. Explain what is bhakti-yoga.
Indian man (2): No, what we have understood from the chapters only . . .
Prabhupāda: So what is that? What you have understood?
Indian man (2): Just surrender yourself first . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (2): And then depend upon one God or one Deity in whom you have a sort of immense belief or confidence.
Prabhupāda: No, you cannot create God. God is one, already there.
Indian man (2): No, no, but then I can create in the form of Rāma as one.
Prabhupāda: That is not creation.
Indian man (2): No, not creation, but I can have my own concentration in the Rāma-mūrti.
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Indian man (2): Instead of Kṛṣṇa mūrti, I can . . .
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Indian man (2): That way.
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Indian man (2): Ah, that way. So that way is two devatās, you see.
Prabhupāda: Hmm, yes.
Indian man (2): So supposing I start simply chanting Rāmeśvara . . .
Prabhupāda: Rāma.
Indian man (2): Rāma or Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that we are chanting.
Indian man (2): Any God's name, any divine name . . .
Prabhupāda: Hmm. That's nice.
Indian man (2): You see? And then, why is it we are again getting breaks now and then and we trace back our steps?
Prabhupāda: No, you can . . . if you are following rigidly, there will be no break.
Indian man (2): No, but rigidity is again a relative term. Rigidity again . . . what is rigid?
Prabhupāda: No, no, you said that you begin chanting Rāma.
Indian man (2): Yes.
Prabhupāda: So follow it.
Indian man (2): Yes, but then there are breaks.
Prabhupāda: Why break? If you are serious . . .
Indian man (2): I don't get . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, if you are serious, there will be no break.
Indian man (2): Ah. Then serious is also . . .
Prabhupāda: Then you are not serious.