Dr. Patel: But you must be benevolent to these people, at least to an extent, to the scientists, that all scientists are wrong, are they? All scientists are not gadhas. Some of them are good (Hindi) and some of them evolve into man even.
Prabhupāda: But we say... If somebody says that "I have got my own way to understand," he is not scientist.
Dr. Patel: Their own way, a section of humanity's way. Not one man's. Science...
Prabhupāda: There cannot be many ways.
Dr. Patel: You see, our sad-darśana. The Vaiśeṣika śāstra is nothing but the modern science. The Vaiśeṣikas also wanted, were going in search of God by their own way, were they not? The Vaiśeṣika śāstra is nothing but the physics and chemistry and mathematics, in true sense. (Hindi) Sad-darśana. Vaiśeṣika is one of the recognized darśanas of our ancient, glorious past. I think I am not wrong, sir, in that way. You will pardon me if I say, and I mean, press my point further.
Prabhupāda: No, you will say it is in your own way, even if it is wrong...
Dr. Patel: No, no. These are Vaiśeṣikas. They are Vaisesikas. Sudras you may call them, but Vaiśeṣika-śāstra was also found out by ancient civilized Indians in search of God.
Prabhupāda: No...
Dr. Patel: And the physics, chemistry, biology, science...
Prabhupāda: Rāvaṇa was the greatest civilized man, but he is considered as rākṣasa.
Dr. Patel: But we are not Rāvaṇas, are we? We are Vaiśeṣikas.
Prabhupāda: No, anyone.
Dr. Patel: We are scientists, Vaiśeṣika scientists. We may not be bhakta scientists, but Vaiśeṣika scientists.
Prabhupāda: Bhakta is the only scientist. All others rascals.
Dr. Patel: That you may say, but, well... We are also bhakta.
Prabhupāda: That we don't say. Kṛṣṇa says, māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ (BG 7.15).
Dr. Patel: But who? Those who are not...
Prabhupāda: These rascals. All these rascals.
Dr. Patel: Those who are not in search of Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: One who has not understood Kṛṣṇa, they are all māyayāpahṛta-jñānā. He may be Vaiśeṣika, kanaḍa, paramānuvada, māyāvāda. There are so... I know these.
Dr. Patel: Māyāvāda and these are all...
Prabhupāda: They different, different philosophies.
Dr. Patel: Vaiśeṣika is one of the six sciences, just like...
Prabhupāda: No, māyāvāda is also one of them.
Dr. Patel: Māyāvāda does not belong to one of the six sciences, do they?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Kanaḍa, Gautama, Astavakra, then nāstika Kapila. There are so many.
Yaśomatīnandana: Patañjali.
Prabhupāda: Patañjali, yes.
Dr. Patel: Patañjali yoga is also... He said, iśvaraḥ pari danaiva. (?) Doesn't he say in the rāja-yoga sutra that...
Prabhupāda: He is suggesting, but he has no clear idea.
Dr. Patel: He definitely has said in thirty-fourth sutra, īśvaraḥ pari danaiva: "If you can't vacate your mind, put God inside." iśvaraḥ pari danaiva.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. Holiday Inn Hotel?