Prabhupāda: At least, preliminary condition for being in touch with God is there. Because Kṛṣṇa says, catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ sukṛtino 'rjuna. So they are taking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That means they are pious.
Mr. Sar: Yes, sukṛtinaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Sukṛti.
Mr. Sar: Otherwise you cannot be bhakta.
Prabhupāda: And, and the result of sukṛti, piety, is janmaiśvarya-śruta-śrī (SB 1.8.26). Janma, to take birth, to take birth in nice family. And aiśvarya, riches. And... Janmaiśvarya-śruta, education, and śrī, beauty. All these four things are in America. There every boy, every girl is nicely educated, qualified, artist.
Dr. Patel: That last hundred years' generation of America, very honest people.
Prabhupāda: Oh yes.
Dr. Patel: Extremely honest and extremely righteous. That is why the generation is good. This last hundred years...
Prabhupāda: Therefore they are taking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Dr. Patel: ...we have been very fond of America. We have been taking great example of Americans during last hundred years. Now they have started degenerating. And that happens with everyone.
Prabhupāda: But the...
Dr. Patel: British degenerated; so they must degenerate.
Prabhupāda: Degenerating means...
Dr. Patel: Degeneration must come. (indistinct) It's not so-called revolution.
Prabhupāda: So they are...
Dr. Patel: (indistinct) they degenerate for others. So that (indistinct) degenerate. We degenerated. So the Muslims degenerated. Americans will degenerate. Somebody else will degenerate. Is that sort of a will? No?
Prabhupāda: So janmaiśvarya-śruta-śrī, good birth, riches, education, and sri, beauty, these are the result of pious activities.
Dr. Patel: When you say the present education and all... But this education has created those boys, smoking carasa and gañjā and bhāṅga...
Prabhupāda: That is not a university education. That is due to their coming to India.
Dr. Patel: They are...? They come to India and... They don't do it there?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes, they come here for spiritual enlightenment, and they meet these rascals, gañjā-eater sādhus. That is the beginning.
Dr. Patel: But they have introduced that in American universities.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. I know. This is the beginning. They learned this... They thought that this is spiritualism.
Dr. Patel: I thought they have taught us.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no.
Jayapatākā: No, they imported...
Prabhupāda: Your gañjā, gañjā-smoker, these so-called sādhus and just like... They have done this. By following these rascals, they are doing it. But they do not know who is sādhu...
Dr. Patel: And LSD was invented by Indians, no?
Mr. Sar: (indistinct) ...other thing, you know.
Guest (2): Oh. (Hindi)
Guest (1): (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: (Hindi)
Dr. Patel: I thought all these things intoxicants, are universal. Not only Indians.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no, no. In the...
Dr. Patel: Even, even, even, it...
Prabhupāda: No, no, in...
Dr. Patel: It was inculcated into the civilization of China.
Prabhupāda: No, no. This I know definitely. The hippies, the hippies came to India. The hippies... (Dr. Patel and the Indian men argue in background)
Dr. Patel: All these... No, no, no! These are all come from America, sir. If you say like that, I am not going back, sir, day!
Prabhupāda: No, no. No, no. The gañjā, gañjā was not in America.
Dr. Patel: That, that is not! But...
Prabhupāda: That I am speaking. Unless they... (everyone yelling at once)
Dr. Patel: He says that LSD has been invented in India.
Guest (1): No, no! I never said these things!
Dr. Patel: Don't...! Don't pervert the things! Swamiji, I am very hot on wrong things and lies! This is an utter lie if you even say so... That LSD was invented in America. I am a scientist.
Mr. Sar: That is right.
Dr. Patel: And it has been used by American boys. And a professor of American university is a friend of mine. And he has been taken horrible things about American boys. And you are talking LSD has been invented in India!
Guest (1): No! I am talking...
Dr. Patel: Don't talk all these things!!!
Guest (1): No, I am talks, sir... I am only talking of...
Dr. Patel: No, this is very wrong. Untruth is as good as a daitya. Truth is God. Truth is Kṛṣṇa. Truthfulness. So how it may be? What do you say, sir?
Prabhupāda: No, no. When we say gañjā was started from here, it is God or not?
Guest (1): That's all...
Dr. Patel: Gañjā is God. What is that? In gañjā also you'll get that, that, that state of samādhi those who get it, they get it. I mean, that is all right. But you said like that, that LSD is invented in India.
Guest (1): No! I never said LSD... Why you are putting...?
Prabhupāda: No, no. When they started gañjā... When they started gañjā... They were scientific men. They wanted to make scientific chemicals out of it.
Dr. Patel: That's right. That's right. That is the right thing. I mean, truth you must have...
Prabhupāda: But the...
Dr. Patel: Don't talk all these things. I cannot tolerate a lie, falsehood of banias (?). I am a first-class enemy of falsehood. For truth I am prepared to get hanged. That is very wrong to tell that LSD was invented in India.
Guest (1): No, I never said that LSD...
Dr. Patel: Tum bola (?).
Guest (1): No, no, no, no, no. That is a... (Hindi) That is the mistake, you see, of the...
Dr. Patel: All right, I am quiet. Lay down now. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: No, actually, this is a fact. This gañjā smoking, they have learned from India.
Dr. Patel: No, but gañjā, they say, some of the people say that you come in such trance. It's an artificial trance.
Prabhupāda: They say also like that!
Dr. Patel: Hm. These boys.
Prabhupāda: They... These hippies, they also say that by marijuana... They call marijuana... They call marijuana? Or what is called?
Devotees: Marijuana.
Prabhupāda: Marijuana. So they learned this gañjā smoking... They came here for spiritual enlightenment, but they do not know who can give them spiritual enlightenment. They went to these rascals, gañjā-smoker, having long beard...
Dr. Patel: But there is a great smuggling racket the whole world, Swamiji.
Prabhupāda: No, no. When they... I know that Allen Ginsberg. He learned this...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, in India.
Prabhupāda: But he's a great poet. He learned this gañjā smoking from India.
Dr. Patel: The English boys, the French boys, the Germans, all of them have started in the... They don't come here as hippies. This is an international disease.
Prabhupāda: They learned from America. That's a fact. The hippie movement started from America.
Dr. Patel: Now, hippie movement started from America. That means they started first. Not after coming to India...
Prabhupāda: But they learned it from India.
Dr. Patel: No.
Prabhupāda: They came here... I have got many students. They came here for spiritual enlightenment, but they learned gañjā smoking and keeping high, big beard. You know. There is a sannyāsa-āśrama in Delhi. And people contribute them gañjā. Not only they, I know... My father, he was also attached to so many sannyāsīs. So in Kālī-ghāṭa, there was a sannyāsī...
Dr. Patel: Sannyāsīs, those nāgā-bābās, they smoke.
Prabhupāda: Not nāgā... He was a regular sannyāsī, Māyāvādī sannyāsī. So my father was giving them the saffron cloth and gañjā. People accept it that this is one of the items.
Dr. Patel: That gañjā should be given.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes, so badly impressed. So this gañjā-smoking has spread all over the world as the hippie movement.
Dr. Patel: I thought that the hippies started from those, this (indistinct) part.
Prabhupāda: No, no. The hippie movement was started from India. You see so many gañjā-smokers, they are sādhus, bābā-sādhu.
Dr. Patel: Bābās also, those nāgā-bābās, they all smoke...
Prabhupāda: No, no. Nāgā and also "sāgā (?)" also. All of them gañjā-... (laughs)