Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So everyone at present is trying to become happy by this or that activity.
Prabhupāda: They are fools, rascals.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So if everyone accepts that there is no happiness at all to be found in this world. . .
Prabhupāda: Then they are intelligent.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Then what to do?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Tad-vijñānārtham . . . Therefore you go to guru. Go to Kṛṣṇa.
Devotee (1): Do I have to join your movement to be happy? Can I just take Kṛṣṇa consciousness outside your movement?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Devotee (1): So there is no possibility of me being Kṛṣṇa conscious outside your movement.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa consciousness can be developed with devotees. Alone it is difficult.
Devotee (1): If I start my own community outside the movement?
Prabhupāda: Yes. The community means many devotees.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So you were saying, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that if there is no happiness, and one recognizes it, then he goes to guru.
Prabhupāda: Then he must. . . Just like Arjuna submitted to Kṛṣṇa because he was disturbed. So that is the point where one must approach a guru, how to become happy. That is intelligence. Athāto brahma jijñāsā: "Now inquire about real happiness."
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So one who is looking for material happiness. . .
Prabhupāda: He's a fool.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: . . .it is very difficult for them to approach guru.
Prabhupāda: He is a fool, rascal, blind. Where there is happiness not possible, he is trying to find out happiness. Therefore he is a fool. Which is not possible, if one tries for it, then he is fool.