Prabhupāda: Upaniṣad is the beginning of parā-vidyā.
Dr. Patel: That's right, sir. He said that "What you have learned? Let me know what you have learned. Then I will teach you further on."
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: And they said that...
Prabhupāda: To know what is your position, whether still you are foolish or you have become intelligent. That is...
Dr. Patel: If he had not become intelligent, he would not have gone there.
Prabhupāda: That has to be.... Then...
Dr. Patel: That means he had become intelligent.
Prabhupāda: That is all right. That is all right. He has gone to the.... That is pious. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ sukṛtinaḥ. Anyone who goes to Kṛṣṇa or guru for asking, he is pious. He is not miscreant. Duṣkṛtina. He is not duṣkṛtina. He is pious. Maybe he is in the lower position, but he is pious. That is described. And one who does not go either to Kṛṣṇa or His representative, he is duṣkṛtina, narādhama. This is the difference. One man is suffering from some disease. If he has gone to the physician, he is intelligent. And one who says, "Ha, what is this? I don't care for that," he's a rascal. That's all.
Dr. Patel: He must come to me. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Yes. Anyone who accepts that "I must be treated," he is intelligent.
Dr. Patel: Yes, sir, but parā-vidyā is meant for the body, aparā-vidyā, I mean to say. Parā-vidyā is meant for the soul.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: So soul and body has got to live together. So there is a necessity of aparā-vidyā also to keep your body going.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Parā-vidyā does not mean to reject the body.
Dr. Patel: Sir, there is a necessity of aparā-vidyā.
Prabhupāda: No, no. No. That is to make the best use of a bad bargain, how to use the body best to perfect parā-vidyā. That is intelligence. Just like you have a car. A car is not neglected. We don't kick out car. But it must be used for spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Dr. Patel: That is what I say, sir, that you must have the knowledge of car, and that knowledge of car is aparā-vidyā.
Prabhupāda: No. No. No. There is no need of. You have the car, you can go from this place to that place very quickly, so utilize it for Kṛṣṇa conscious.
Dr. Patel: They must know how to drive it. That is knowledge. Why do you say no?
Prabhupāda: That automatically comes.
Dr. Patel: How can automatically? Nothing can come automatically.
Prabhupāda: You'll see many drivers. They do not know about mechanics, but very first class driver.
Dr. Patel: Well, learning driving is a knowledge of driving.
Prabhupāda: Yes, driving, that is...
Dr. Patel: Svarūpa(?), why don't you say something?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Many.... Many first-class owner.... You know. You are a physician. You are not a motor mechanics, but you know how to drive. That is not very difficult thing.
Guru dāsa: Isn't it when you drive for Kṛṣṇa, doesn't it become parā-vidyā then?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Guru dāsa: When you drive for Kṛṣṇa, doesn't it becomes parā-vidyā?
Prabhupāda: Yes, everything is done for Kṛṣṇa, that is parā-vidyā.
Dr. Patel: Anything spoken for Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa is parā-vāṇī, and this is parā-vidyā.
Prabhupāda: Vāsudeva-parā... There is a verse, vāsudeva-parāḥ karma vāsudeva-parā... Like that.
Dr. Patel: Vāsudeva-parā makhāḥ vāsudeva-parā.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. So everything should be for Vāsudeva. And he is first-class wise man who knows vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā... (BG 7.19).
Dr. Patel: Sudurlabhaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Yes. But such kind of intelligent person is very rare.