Pradyumna: You said in the Bhāgavatam just that, that we are afraid of the materialistic men.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Personally I feel, I have several times told. For a devotee to live with nondevotees is so obnoxious and troublesome, it is sometimes mentioned, better to remain within a cage surrounded by fire, and still, don't remain with nondevotees. You prefer to live within a cage surrounded by fire. That living is preferable than to live with this nondevotee class.
Hari-śauri: A lot of the devotees had that experience living with their parents before they joined the movement. It was so hellish they had to get out. Then they, some way or other, met...
Prabhupāda:
- tāṅdera caraṇa-sebi-bhakta-sane bās
- janame janame hoy ei abhilāṣ
Bhakta-sane bās, that is the essential part of progressing. Dayānanda's daughter came today, in my lavatory.
Hari-śauri: When you were in?
Prabhupāda: Yes, I was going... (break) Generally, this baḍā are made with paṭola(?) leaves, paṭola leaves mashed and mixed with this dahi.
Hari-śauri: Is that just as healthy as nim leaves? Paṭola leaves? Just the same.
Prabhupāda: It is better. (break) ...the influence of the moon planet, the vegetation grows. Do they accept, the modern botanists, influence of moon planet?
Parivrājakācārya: All the farmers, they...
Prabhupāda: They do believe?
Parivrājakācārya: They believe that. They plant certain seeds according to the moon.
Pradyumna: Even in the West they only plant certain things on the waxing moon, not on the waning moon. On śukla-pakṣa.
Prabhupāda: And moon is vacant. By the influence of moon, other vegetation growing, and it cannot grow itself.
Hari-śauri: They admit that the moon rays have some kind of potency. They know that.
Prabhupāda: No, it is stated in the Bhāgavatam.
Pradyumna: In the Jyotiṣa it has, it controls liquids. And I think even in hospitals here, near Pūrṇimā, where some of the times they don't like to do the operations because there will be more..., the blood will run more. Something, they have some, somebody told me. The tides are also going according to the moon. The rivers are running according to the moon. In the Ganges, one time we went...
Prabhupāda: The ebb tide, low tide, according to the moon.
Pradyumna: One day the Ganges was very peaceful, and then we went again and it was rushing. If you went in you would just be carried away. (long pause)
Prabhupāda: You can do it here.
Hari-śauri: You don't want to go outside today?
Prabhupāda: Outside is bright. (end)