Guest (2): But is not to accept authority, the authority of God, is that not to speculate about God? How can I accept authority without knowing what God is? As soon as I say, "I know God," then obviously I am speculating.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: His question is, "Is it not speculation to say that one knows God? As soon as he thinks that he knows God..."
Prabhupāda: You know also God. You know also God.
Guest (2): No, I don't.
Prabhupāda: No, You are... Or do you think you are independent of God?
Guest (2): I don't know what God is.
Prabhupāda: No, no, you do not know. Why you do not know? You do not know that you are not independent?
Guest (2): No, I do not know God.
Prabhupāda: But are you not going to die? Can you check your death? You will be forced to die, so how do you say that you are independent?
Guest (2): I haven't died, so I don't know what it is to die.
Prabhupāda: He does not know what is the meaning of death?
Guest (2): No. For me, personally, I do not know what death is.
Prabhupāda: "For me" means you are a special person.
Guest (2): I don't know what death is.
Prabhupāda: Everyone knows what is death. Everyone is afraid of death. If you do not know, then I do not know whether you are human being or...
Guest (2): No, because speculation about God. If we do not know...
Prabhupāda: So you have to learn it; then you talk. You have to learn it. What you do not know, you have to learn it.
Guest (2): Then how you learn about God if you do not know what God is?
Prabhupāda: You have to learn it. That I have said. But everyone knows that he is not independent. He is dependent. Just like you are young man. If you say, "I will not become old man," that is false. You will have to become old man. Therefore you are dependent. Why don't you think like that?
Guest (2): I don't say that I won't be.
Prabhupāda: Nobody wants to become an old man, but he is forced to become old man. How do you know that you are independent? You are dependent.
Guest (2): I'm not afraid of becoming old.
Prabhupāda: You may not be, but others are. They do not like to be old man and suffer the old man's position.