Prabhupāda: ...increase your attachment. And that is also stated in the Fourth..., vīta-rāga-bhaya... man-mayā mad-āśrayaḥ...
Mr. Sar: Samagraṁ māṁ yathā jñāsyasi tac chṛṇu.
Prabhupāda: So this is the process. If you want to know God—Kṛṣṇa means God—then this is the process. What is that? Mayy āsakta.
Dr. Patel: Mayy āsakta-manāḥ.
Prabhupāda: Mayy āsakta.
Dr. Patel: Mayy āsakta-manāḥ partha...
Mr. Sar: Yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ.
Prabhupāda: This is yoga practice also. Yoga. Yoga means to concentrate the mind on a subject matter. So we should meditate upon Kṛṣṇa. Mayy āsakta. Then gradually you'll increase your attachment for Kṛṣṇa. And that is the perfection of life. The perfection of life, the symbol is in Vṛndāvana. Because all the inhabitants of Vṛndāvana, they were very, very, much attached to Kṛṣṇa.
Mr. Sar: Attached to Kṛṣṇa were.
Prabhupāda: The cowherd boys, the girls, the elderly persons, the trees, the flowers, the land, the birds, the beasts, the cows-their center was Kṛṣṇa. So we have to follow their footprints, how to... We have got already attachment.
Mr. Sar: Yes. Yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ.
Prabhupāda: No, attachment we have got for material things. That we have to transfer. This is yoga practice.
Mr. Sar: That is yoga practice. Correct.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yoga indriya-saṁyamaḥ. Yoga, the... I think it is Patañjali sūtra.
Guest (1): Yoga citta bhūti yoga. (?)
Prabhupāda: Yes. Citta bhūti...
Guest (1): Yoga citta bhūti nirodha.
Prabhupāda: Nirodha. So our activities are now materially centered—how to satisfy the senses. All these so-called improvements, material improvements, means how to satisfy the senses. So this aśaktiḥ, attachment, for material sense gratification...
Guest (2): Has to be transferred.
Prabhupāda: To Kṛṣṇa. Yes. Mayy āsakta-manaḥ partha. This is yoga. This is bhakti-yoga.
Mr. Sar: It is said, jñānaṁ te sa-vijñānam.
Prabhupāda: But it can be done mad-āśrayaḥ. Āśrayaḥ, to take shelter. "Taking shelter of Kṛṣṇa," you can make this meaning or mad-āśrayaḥ means "one who has taken shelter of Kṛṣṇa."
Mr. Sar: Kṛṣṇa. Correct. Correct. That is correct.
Guest (1): Mad-āśrayaḥ means āśrayaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Either you... Directly it is not possible to take shelter of Kṛṣṇa. Therefore mad-āśrayaḥ means "one who has taken shelter of Me." That is paramparā system. You take shelter of Him. Then the result will be asaṁśayaḥ.
Passerby: Hello.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Asaṁśayaḥ means at the present moment...
Guest (1): Without any doubts.
Prabhupāda: No... People are in doubt whether there is God, or "If there is God, He might have died by this time." So there are so many... (laughs) Yes. When I first went to U.S.A., the theory was "God is dead." But when I began to speak, they realized, "No, God is not dead. God is with Swamiji." They wrote. They wrote articles. So asaṁśayaṁ...
Mr. Sar: Samagraṁ māṁ. From all aspects.
Prabhupāda: From all aspects. Yathā jñāsyasi tac chṛṇu. So Kṛṣṇa is speaking about Himself. We can speculate about God. That way we'll never be successful. Because we have got limited senses. Therefore you hear from Kṛṣṇa about Kṛṣṇa. This is called bhakti-yoga.
Mr. Sar: And He wants to tell the jñānaṁ te 'haṁ sa-vijñānam (BG 7.2). "What I have realized, I tell you."
Prabhupāda: No, not realized!
Guest (1): Experienced.
Prabhupāda: Sa-vijñānam, how it can be practically applied.
Mr. Sar: Yes, how it can be practically applied.
Prabhupāda: Not that he has realized. He's God. He's already realized.
Guest (1): Sa-vijñānam means...
Dr. Patel: Matter of knowing, application.
Mr. Sar: Application.
Prabhupāda: Practical.
Mr. Sar: Practical application.
Prabhupāda: Just like practical science. If you want to pass B.A. examination, you have to appear for theoretical and practical, both.
Dr. Patel: Theory and practice both.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So this bhakti-yoga means to know God, at the same time, practically employ yourself in the service of God, or in the transaction between God and yourself. That is vijñānam. Sa-vijñānam.
Guest (1): What is the distinction between jñāna and vijñāna?
Prabhupāda: Jñāna means theoretical knowledge, and vijñāna means practical knowledge. Simply to know "God is great," that is not sufficient.
Guest (1): No, that is theoretical.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is theoretical. You must know how great He is. That we have to learn from the śāstras, from the guru, how great He is. Just like in the Brahma-saṁhitā, Vedic, yato vā imāni bhūtāni jāyante. He's the source of all material elements. In Him everything stays, and after annihilation, everything goes into Him. This is one understanding. Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13).
Mr. Sar: Eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān.
Prabhupāda: In this way, from Vedas, from guru, from saintly persons, we have to understand. Sādhu guru śāstra vākya. Sādhu means who speaks strictly on the śāstra. Guru also speaks strictly on śāstra. Śāstra is the medium. Yaḥ śāstra-vidhim utsṛjya vartate kāma-kārataḥ, na siddhim avāpno... (BG 16.23). Therefore we protest. Unless there is something mentioned in the authorized śāstras we don't accept it.
Guest (1): Is it nityaḥ anityānām or nityaḥ nityānām?
Prabhupāda: Nityo nityānām. Plural number.
Dr. Patel: Plural, yes.
Guest (1): No, no, that's right.
Prabhupāda: Plural number.
Guest (1): Permanent. Permanent, impermanent.
Prabhupāda: Both of them permanent. No, no, no. Permanent... The jīvas and the Supreme Lord, both of them are permanent, nityā. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). Just like nityaḥ śāśvato 'yam. It is said in the Bhagavad-gītā, nityaḥ śāśvato 'yam. Eternal, always existing. And this material word has been described: asasvataḥ. Duḥkhālayam aśāśvataḥ.
Dr. Patel: Aśāśvatam.
Prabhupāda: Aśāś... It is not permanent. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate (BG 8.19). It appears and disappears. So because nityo nityānām, there is transaction between the nitya, the Supreme Nitya, Kṛṣṇa, and the...
Dr. Patel: Cetanaś cetanānām.
Prabhupāda: And the subordinate nityas, the living entities. So there must be one place also where this transaction takes place. Because this is anitya. This material world is anitya. So how the transaction between the nitya and nityānām can take place? Because the place is anitya. Therefore there must be a place which is nitya. There must be place. That is Vaikuṇṭha dhāma, spiritual world. So by practicing bhakti-yoga scientifically, by practical understanding, practical application, yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ, either at the shelter...
Mr. Sar: Anyaj jñātam neha bhūyo...
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Mr. Sar: Anyaj jñātam avaśiṣyate.
Prabhupāda: Ah. Then anyaj jñātavyam. No. Then you become perfect. No more knowledge.
Mr. Sar: No more knowledge is required.
Prabhupāda: Yes, knowledge is perfect.
Mr. Sar: Final
Prabhupāda: Final, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yasmin vijñāte sarvam etaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavanti. This is also Upaniṣad. Yasmin vijñāte. If you simply understand Kṛṣṇa, then sarvam eva vijñātaṁ bhavanti. Then you have got full knowledge. And that is also stated in the Fourth Chapter. Janma karma me divyam yo janāti tattvataḥ, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti... (BG 4.9). He becomes immediately liberated. Simply if you understand Kṛṣṇa, what is Kṛṣṇa, tattvataḥ, in truth, then you are, your business is finished.