Guest (1): Yes, even there is spiritual form, one has to live in certain form, without which...
Prabhupāda: That is natural form. That is not a conventional form. Just like you have dressed yourself with black coat. It is not your natural form. So material...
Guest (1): Has spirit no want?
Prabhupāda: Yes, no want.
Guest (1): Without it, you see...
Prabhupāda: Everything you desire, it is present immediately.
Guest (1): You mean the spirit has got subtle form, though it may be exact form?
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Yes.
Guest (1): Though mind has got no form outside but mind has a form.
Prabhupāda: The spirit, he has a form.
Guest (1): Intelligence is also accepting...
Prabhupāda: These are different coating. Just like you have got your form, therefore your coat has got a form.
Guest (1): No, I was thinking in this form.
Prabhupāda: Don't think like that way. First of all you try to understand. Because you have got a form, your coat has got a form. You try to understand this.
Guest (1): Yes, water, though may not have form, but it has got form.
Prabhupāda: Why may not? You try to understand practically. You have got a form, therefore your shirt has got a form, your coat has got a form.
Guest (1): That spirit has this form, no?
Prabhupāda: Yes. So because originally you have got hand, your coat has got hand. Because originally you have got hand, your shirt has got hand. Therefore this form, the material form which you are seeing, it is coating only.
Guest (1): Material form of what?
Prabhupāda: You, me, everything.
Guest (1): No, "me" means what? A spirit?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): That is what I say. Any spirit will have certain form.
Prabhupāda: Not certain form. He has got his original form.
Guest (1): Original means all the... We are living from the eternal...
Prabhupāda: Yes. Eternally you have got a form.
Guest (1): From the eternal we have got certain form.
Prabhupāda: That is material. Past certain form, that is material. But you have got an original spiritual form.
Guest (1): Spiritual form is there but due to the bond man has taken this form.
Prabhupāda: This form is being developed according to your mental condition.
Guest (1): Mental conditions are due to want.
Prabhupāda: Subtle form, subtle form.
Guest (1): Those are again due to want.
Prabhupāda: Due to want? Yes.
Guest (1): All these forms are due to want.
Prabhupāda: Want. That want because you are in the material condition.
Guest (1): Every person in a material... Spirit in matter remains because both are there.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Guest (1): Now, as we have got a material form...
Prabhupāda: Spirit has got no material form. Spirit has got spiritual form.
Guest (1): Spiritual form but yet also it has got a material form.
Prabhupāda: Because he has come... Just like you have accepted this kind of coat. I have got a different kind of coat. She has got a different kind of coat.
Guest (1): Yes. According to that there is...
Prabhupāda: Yes. So as I liked, so I have got shirt and coat. This is material. But originally, spiritual form is the same as you have got, I have got, she has got a form, everyone. That is original form.
Guest (1): Now, our question... (indistinct) We try. Now, question of earning also, the definition is not here, being...
Prabhupāda: The question of earning comes so long you have got this material form. But from the spiritual form there is no question of earning.
Guest (1): In what way we will live in that spiritual form?
Prabhupāda: That you have to know. That you have to know. Ānanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhiḥ (Bs. 5.37). That spiritual form means complete blissfulness, complete knowledge, and eternity.
Guest (1): Turiya.
Prabhupāda: Turiya, yes.
Guest (1): In that turiya...
Prabhupāda: This is turiya life, complete blissfulness, complete knowledge, and eternity.
Guest (1): You see, because it is a creation of the world... (indistinct) And that means that matter is there.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Matter is always there.
Guest (1): Ah. We want to live and enjoy, therefore this universe and all these things. Now, in what perfect form? Because everywhere, in everything, there is a best. Now how everything should take?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.