Prabhupāda: He will be, for the time being, the superintendent of the society. He will go everywhere and see and report me what, how things are going on. And then we are going to make a central committee gradually. Everything will be done. Let us work very seriously and sincerely. Everything will come out.
Hayagrīva: So then Śyāma dāsī is our treasurer..., secretary.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And he is treasurer, Hṛṣīkeśa?
Hayagrīva: He's treasurer and temple commander.
Prabhupāda: No, what...? You president, she is secretary, and then? Treasurer?
Hayagrīva: He could be also vice president or temple... Well, there has to be a second charge, another person in charge.
Prabhupāda: That you select, who should be vice president.
Hayagrīva: Temple commander.
Prabhupāda: No. Because you president, you can select out of all the workers...
Hayagrīva: Not many.
Prabhupāda: ...who will be nicely representing you. That's your trust.
Hṛṣīkeśa: There will be more workers. More will come. There are more people coming all the time, aren't they?
Hayagrīva: Well, if they'll stay on a permanent basis.
Devotee: Why not? It's such a nice place.
Hayagrīva: Yes, but I mean all this time we only... We don't have... Not many on a permanent basis.
Devotee: You won't be leaving until September. You won't be leaving until September?
Hayagrīva: Well, I don't know. I may. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...Kali-yuga, everything should be managed by society. In Bhāgavata also. Yes.
Hayagrīva: Oh, democracy. In Kali-yuga, democracy.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Society. Body.
Hayagrīva: This is not best. This is not best. You mention that in the books, that this is not very good.
Prabhupāda: This is not very good in this sense... But at that time one man was so advanced that his order was perfect. Actually these kings like Mahārāja Parīkṣit and others, they were consulting learned brāhmaṇas, not that they were actually autocrat. No. They used to consult how the government should be conducted.
Kīrtanānanda: They had a council of brāhmaṇas.
Prabhupāda: Yes, council of brāhmaṇas. Yes. The brāhmaṇas, they are not politicians, but they would give from śāstra direction, "You are a king. You do like this."
Kīrtanānanda: There were instances when the king wouldn't follow the brāhmaṇas, so they were thrown out, weren't they?
Prabhupāda: Yes. There were such instances also. Just like Prthu Mahārāja. His father was dethroned. I think same thing was in England also, the knights. If they liked, they dethroned the king.
Kīrtanānanda: Not exactly the knights. They were more...
Prabhupāda: Noblemen. Yes. The knights are different?
Kīrtanānanda: Yes. Knights were fighting men.
Satyabhāmā: They're warriors. Knights were like kṣatriya.
Prabhupāda: Oh. Oh. And noblemen?
Kīrtanānanda: They were the lords. They were...
Satyabhāmā: There were no brāhmaṇas, though. (laughs)
Śyāma: There were bishops.
Kīrtanānanda: Not exactly brāhmaṇas. They were proprietors of large tracts of land, and they were responsible for giving protection to a certain number of people under them.
Prabhupāda: Aristocrats. The same system the Britishers introduced in India also. They were called zamindari. (break) That is sannyāsī's business.
Hayagrīva: I see somebody's going to get stuck with a lot of traveling tickets.
Prabhupāda: That Kṛṣṇa will provide. That doesn't matter. You see?
Hayagrīva: So I want to make certain that this is your...
Prabhupāda: Sometimes I think that "I came here with no money, and now I am spending so much money in traveling." (laughter) Aeroplanes. As soon as I get on aeroplane, immediately two hundred dollars. And not only I am, my assistant also. So Kṛṣṇa will provide. That doesn't matter.
Hayagrīva: This is the way, I mean, you want it. I don't quite understand...
Prabhupāda: Yes. I think... No... You see, if we actually serious about developing this place, then we must do propaganda work outside also. Not only inside management, but outside also, we should draw the sympathy of the people. Don't you think it is necessary?
Hayagrīva: It's necessary.
Hayagrīva: But my question was that I won't get any cooperation from people if they think that my being in charge here is a concession. You see? I won't get any cooperation from anyone.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. It is not concession. It's necessary. One man must be in charge of this place. So you don't think like that. Everyone will cooperate. Why not? It is Kṛṣṇa's. Nobody is actually the in-charge. Kṛṣṇa is in charge. We are simply assisting Kṛṣṇa. In that spirit we shall work.
Hayagrīva: Well, it's almost impossible to be in charge.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Kṛṣṇa is in charge. What do you think, Śyāma dāsī?
Śyāma: Yes. Kṛṣṇa is in charge.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Kṛṣṇa is in charge. Everyone should think that "I am acting to satisfy Kṛṣṇa." That's it. And you, immediately you make that literature for outside propaganda, the aims and objects of what we want to do and the plan, entire plan, where we want to... So long I am here, at least you make a plan, and I give you instructions where to construct which temple, the design of the temple, guesthouse. In this way you make a plan. Have you got an entire plan of this land?
Kīrtanānanda: No. But I can get one.
Prabhupāda: You get it. Then I give you direction and make it nicely, and you print it, nice paper. We have to make propaganda.
Hayagrīva: Well, in order to develop the place properly, we're going to need people who are dedicating themselves, not just fly-by-night, people who come and stay for a week and then go.
Prabhupāda: Yes, they will come.
Hayagrīva: But we're going to need people who stay here permanently.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Some people will... At least fifty men should live here permanently. That I shall arrange.
Prabhupāda: Fifty at least. Otherwise this big property, how it can be managed? At least fifty men. At least. It may go to two hundred.
Kīrtanānanda: On this property?
Prabhupāda: This whole property. We have to manage so many temples.
Kīrtanānanda: The conservation people estimate that this land will support eighteen people.
Hayagrīva: Well, that's materialists.
Kīrtanānanda: Thirty people, I think.
Hayagrīva: That's a materialistic calculation.
Kīrtanānanda: So if you want one cow for every person, it would only support eighteen cows.
Prabhupāda: Eighteen cows? The whole property?
Kīrtanānanda: If you want them to be self-sufficient, you have to grow grain for them for the winter.
Prabhupāda: All right. Let eighteen people first of all. Then we shall share, eighteen people. You see?