Prabhupāda: I am not spiritual chief. Kṛṣṇa is spiritual chief.
Maurice Rougemont: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I am simply explaining what Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā. I am acting on His behalf. I am acting on His behalf. Just like Kṛṣṇa says that there is no more higher authority than Him. I am speaking to my students, "There is no more higher authority than Kṛṣṇa." So, in other words, there is no difference between Kṛṣṇa's statement and my statement.
Maurice Rougemont: I understand. But you know that if you want for changing society you must have a force . . .
Yogeśvara: You need the strength to change society.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Yogeśvara: You have to have sufficient strength to change society.
Prabhupāda: I may not have sufficient strength. I can . . . if I can convert a dozen of people, that is my success.
Maurice Rougemont: I think, I thank you . . .
Prabhupāda: And if you want to know our socialistic idea, I can give you.
Maurice Rougemont: Yeah. Because I thought, you know, it was just an idea of your . . . but I shall never think it was so . . . so much clear.
Yogeśvara: He never thought that our program was quite so detailed.
Prabhupāda: It is most scientific program.