Devotee (2): (break) ...very much burdened, because they have some obligation to God. So therefore now they want to.... They consider it an obligation.
Prabhupāda: Obligation we must follow. That I have already said, that you have obligation to the state, you must pay tax. Otherwise you are criminal. So obligation must be there. If somebody is giving you protection, you must be obliged. If you don't feel obliged, then you'll be punished.
Hari-śauri: Gratitude is a sign of intelligence.
Prabhupāda: Stena eva sa ucyate (BG 3.12). In Bhāgavata it is written that everything belongs to God. You take whatever is your necessity. You take more, then you'll be punished. This is Bhāgavata's statement. So now the business is to become capitalist. He's taking more, holding the whole stock, at least in India. It is not coming to the market, and people are starving. So they will be punished. (break) ...also. The excess grain they are throwing it into the sea. So they'll be punished. They are also waiting, (Sanskrit). (break) ...spiritual communism. Don't take more. Just like the natural birds, if you keep one bag of rice here, he'll come, but they will take three, four grains, and they'll go away. And if you ask a man, "Here is some stack of rice." "Ah, I'll take." Immediately finished. One man will take it the whole stack, everything. "Oh, I've got it free. Let me take it." But the birds, they're under natural law. They know, "Ah, I have finished. I have got my belly filled up. I don't require any more." So God has given everything sufficiently. If every man takes whatever he wants absolutely, then there is no difficulty. That is your complication. But why there should be fight? Father's property of every son. He take as much as he requires. Accept father, his property, and take as much as you require. Don't take more. That is real communism. So where is that communism? Who has it? The material nature, the mother, and God is the father. And we are all children. That's all. Plain truth. (break) ...accept this philosophy?
Devotee (2): The sane people, the sane persons, they will accept.
Prabhupāda: That means there is no saintly person, all rogues. (break) ...objection. You have to accept some father; otherwise how you can exist?
Devotee (1): The objection is that man wants to be completely free.
Prabhupāda: He cannot be free.
Hari-śauri: Well, like Freud said, that a child may be under the protection of the father, but eventually the child has to grow up and go out and face the harsh, cruel world.
Prabhupāda: That is his folly. If he remains obedient to the father, then he'll be happy.
Hari-śauri: If you're already in a good situation, why create a bad one?
Prabhupāda: Yes. You be obedient and enjoy father's property. What is the wrong?
Hari-śauri: They want to enjoy for themselves.
Prabhupāda: You cannot enjoy. What you cannot enjoy if there is no water, if there is no sunshine and there is no trees, there is no.... Then how you can enjoy? This is given by father. You are already enjoying the father's property. Why you are so much ungrateful?
Hari-śauri: They haven't yet understood that the supply will be restricted if they don't behave.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That will be. That.... They must wait for the day.
Devotee (5): They call that the energy crisis.
Prabhupāda: Ha?
Devotee (5): They call that the energy crisis.