Hṛdayānanda: God could have... God could have created me in such a way that I would never have fallen down.
Prabhupāda: He has created, but He has given you independence.
Jagadīśa: God wants us to enjoy.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Kāśirāma: Why has He given us that independence if in that independence we...?
Prabhupāda: Then you are not living being. You are dull stone. God does not want that you remain a stone.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "Free will" means living being.
Hari-śauri: But if he gave us the material world to enjoy, then why do we have to suffer here?
Prabhupāda: No, no, enjoyments... You do not know what is enjoyment. You suffer. Just like you are voracious eater. You eat and then suffer. Then no eating. That means you are nonsense. You do not know how much to eat. Just like you require little salt with your food, and if you put one ser of salt, then that is your foolishness. Because salt has to be eaten, it does not mean that you bring the whole ocean to make it salty. Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā (ISO 1). That is the instruction.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So if you know how to...
Prabhupāda: Whatever direction is there, you take that. The medicine is given. Doctor gives direction. "So many drops you can take." Now you say, "Oh, the good medicine. Let me eat the whole thing. I become cured immediately." Then you die. You have to take, enjoy, but according to direction. God does not say that "You don't enjoy." You are, what is called, ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt (Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12). A living entity means ānandamaya, enjoyment. But that ānanda, where it is permanent ānanda, how we have to reach that permanent ānanda, that is being taught. Otherwise, you foolish, you'll eat the whole medicine and die. That's all. Therefore the varṇāśrama-dharma. Varṇāśrama-dharma means that is real human civilization. There is direction that "You enjoy like this." And if you become mlecchas and yavanas, then you'll not enjoy. You simply suffer. You do not know how to enjoy.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So if one abides by the law of God, then he can become happy.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: God has made that arrangement.
Prabhupāda: That is stated in Viṣṇu Purāṇa.