Haṁsadūta: In this particular instance, and practically always, I do that. But Girirāja was so unreasonable about the matter that the boy actually ran away.
Prabhupāda: No, no, that, that, there are so many people . . . if you do not satisfy his senses, everyone is free to run away. That you cannot check. You cannot say, accuse somebody or somebody. Because here everyone is giving voluntary service. Nobody is servant. So if he doesn't like something, at any moment he can go away. At any moment. Just like yesterday the Śāstrī came. So he went away. And somebody, they are coming, going. So you cannot check them, because they are not our paid servants. If they are very kind that they have come here, cooperating with us. But still there is some decency, if one is engaged in some work, all of a sudden he should go away, all of a sudden . . . that is not very good. That is not very good. Decently that, "I used to go, and now in preaching work, so there will be no difficulty," this is the arrangement. Something must be done. All of a sudden, if somebody goes, that isn't very good. Tamāla also, if he did so, that is not good. Because I want some men, I cannot kidnap from any place. That is not good. We must see that the management is going on, the management may not suffer. But the president should allow to go if there is extra men.
Haṁsadūta: Yes. Another point in this connection, Prabhupāda, the men who come with me, they don't stay with me forever. They will stay a few months some of them, and then they go. In this way . . .
Prabhupāda: Then that is the habit . . .
Haṁsadūta: For instance, in this temple, there are so many men which are on our party who are . . .
Prabhupāda: So many men. We don't want so many men. Now we are going to minimize. We don't want so many men. That if . . . now we have to estimate how many men absolutely required. So many men we shall keep. Others, they must go to the preaching. They must go to the preaching.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: They can all go on the buses, the extra men.
Prabhupāda: No, they should be distributed. They may go to other centers.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Hyderabad needs men.
Prabhupāda: Here, unnecessarily increasing men and increasing expenditure, twenty thousand, twenty-five thousand, thirty thousand. Why? Unnecessary. Only minimum men should be kept who are actually useful. There is no need of keeping extra men. What is that?
Harikeśa: When you originally were speaking about Vṛndāvana, you mentioned that Vṛndāvana would be a place for those people who have become a little disturbed in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or burned out, we call it, from so much activity, that he comes here and gets rejuvenated here. Is that still . . .
Prabhupāda: That is a fact, but provided he is devotee. If he's not a devotee then he will go away, here and there, here and there. That is the habit. And a devotee is satisfied anywhere. A devotee is not that "I'll go to Vṛndāvana, then I'll be satisfied." Nārāyaṇa-parāḥ sarve na kutaścana bibhyati (SB 6.17.28). I did not go to your country taking Vṛndāvana with me. I had to stay in places where in the refrigerator there is meat. And I was cooking. When opened it I saw, "Here is meat. All right, what can be done? Hare Kṛṣṇa." That's all.
Akṣayānanda: But actually you did take Vṛndāvana with you.
Prabhupāda: So if I would have stuck to Vṛndāvana, "No, no, I cannot go anywhere, leaving Vṛndāvana . . ." No, we can go to hell if there is Kṛṣṇa's service.
Harikeśa: So is there some time that maybe somebody could stay here when he comes in that frame of consciousness?
Prabhupāda: No, no, it is . . . not that. It should be now restricted. Not that anyone comes and whimsically goes away. This should be restricted.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: These devotees just create a disturbance, Śrīla Prabhupāda. They don't want to be engaged, and everybody copies them and the whole atmosphere gets . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no.
Akṣayānanda: A lot of devotees think . . . they come here . . . "Therefore work is not necessary. Simply chanting and being in Vṛndāvana is nice." That's wrong.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Chanting, but there is expenditure. Who will collect this twenty-five thousand? It is increasing.
Akṣayānanda: We have one kitchen, as you said . . .
Prabhupāda: I can maintain them, provided they are actually serious about making progress in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Not that some lazy fellow will come, and because he has come to Vṛndāvana, Kṛṣṇa-candra has become very much obliged to him. Kṛṣṇa-candra had no other friend. He has come from somebody. That mentality should be curtailed.
Harikeśa: What if he comes with money to pay for himself.
Prabhupāda: Is there a guesthouse? Stay. There is no harm. There is guesthouse, he can pay and stay. But here we shall keep only minimum number of men without whom we cannot make . . . manage it. That's all.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Very good.
Prabhupāda: Otherwise, how it is possible? Who will bring twenty-five thousand per month? I'm surprised. Twenty-five . . . (Hindi)
Akṣayānanda: It's much more. Sometimes thirty.
Prabhupāda: So this must be stopped immediately. We cannot pay more than five thousand. You stop. We cannot pay. (Hindi) My Guru Mahārāja used to say, (Bengali) "Joint mess." This is not possible, that we have to maintain a big bundle of burden. What is this?
Akṣayānanda: But still, we have to welcome anyone who comes.
Prabhupāda: Twenty-five thousand, thirty thousand per month? What is this? Where is that temple in Vṛndāvana who is spending twenty-five thousand, thirty thousand? Can you say any temple?