Hari-śauri: I'm a bit puzzled about this, these entities that are born from perspiration, like that. It seems that there's no father and mother, yet like we were just using the argument that there must be a father and mother.
Prabhupāda: No, there is father and mother. The supreme father is Kṛṣṇa, and mother is nature, ultimately. So perspiration is also another form of nature. Yes. There's always father and mother.
Yadubara: There's no material father, though? In that case?
Prabhupāda: Material father is not material. Real father is Kṛṣṇa. He may come in so many ways.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: The thing is that the scientists may isolate some cockroaches in a box, and they will watch the cockroaches secrete eggs and this or that or whatever—I don't know exactly how the cockroaches...
Prabhupāda: Not, give up cockroach. There are many other living entities, they come from perspiration. Take for..., bugs. Bugs, they come from perspiration. Many, many come by fermentation.
Hari-śauri: Yes, but it seems that form of the bug must come from the form of another bug.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: So it's very difficult to understand how it comes from perspiration.
Prabhupāda: The form is coming directly. Why from another? The form is, the birth is coming directly.
Hari-śauri: From the perspiration.
Prabhupāda: And those who are coming, they will take that form, buglike form, and drink blood. That is all destined.
Hari-śauri: So just like a spirit soul, say, in a human form.
Prabhupāda: Spirit soul, according to his desires, he's gotten that body. But that body is coming from perspiration. That is the way.
Hari-śauri: So like in our case, the spirit soul takes shelter in the semen.
Prabhupāda: Yes, according to his desire he's given shelter to such and such place, and he comes out with body.
Hari-śauri: And in that case he take shelter in the perspiration.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Daiva-netreṇa. That is by superior administration, he has to take shelter and take out the body, come and act. It requires little brain. The dull meat-eaters cannot understand, the drunkards and meat-eaters.
Rūpānuga: They do not even know about that kind of birth.
Hari-śauri: That's a fact.
Prabhupāda: No, even in their meat there will be so many germs. What they know?
Rūpānuga: The common people think that by cooking the meat they kill so many worms and germs in their meat.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rūpānuga: But studies have shown that certain worms and germs are not killed, and they are ingested into the body and cause diseases.
Prabhupāda: You take the yogurt, even by microscope, you see so many germs.
Hari-śauri: Yogurt is made by...
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Even a drop of water there is...
Prabhupāda: Bacteria. Lactic acid. Bacteria.