Prabhupāda: Māyāvādam asac-chāstraṁ pracchannaṁ bauddham ucyate, pracchannaṁ bauddham ucyate.
Dr. Patel: You call pracchanna, but I am open Buddha now, today, for the sake of argument. Let me understand it. There are various ways you can argue about the thing. God cannot be approached by argument...
Prabhupāda: No, no. Your difficulty is you are not submissive. Therefore you do not understand.
Dr. Patel: No, I am, I am actually submissive.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no, no, no.
Dr. Patel: But I want to... I cannot submit without understanding.
Prabhupāda: But you... Because you...
Dr. Patel: That is what I want...
Prabhupāda: But you should not... Because you do not submit, therefore you do not understand.
Dr. Patel: No, I cannot submit till I understanding.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Tad viddhi praṇipātena (BG 4.34). Praṇipāta, first of all, praṇipāta.
Dr. Patel: I am always doing praṇipāta.
Guest (3) (Indian man): Jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Ah!
Dr. Patel: I am doing praṇipāta to you. Do you think I am disrespecting you? If you take, then you pardon me.
Prabhupāda: No, no. No, no. It is not the question of disrespecting, but that is not full surrender. You think that you know better than me.
Dr. Patel: I don't think so.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: No, no, that is wrong.
Prabhupāda: Therefore you talk of all this...
Dr. Patel: No, no. If you go on with that, I will not talk from tomorrow.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no.
Dr. Patel: I want to learn myself.
Prabhupāda: But that will be very good. If you don't talk, simply hear, it will be beneficial.
Dr. Patel: Ācchā. Now you don't talk then. When I say...
Prabhupāda: (Chuckling) No, no. I say you, you simply hear. Don't talk.
Dr. Patel: All right.
Prabhupāda: Then you'll understand.
Dr. Patel: And then, then, then I want to make you talk. What will I do?
Prabhupāda: No. But your habit is as soon as we begin talks, immediately you talk.
Dr. Patel: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Without hearing. And therefore you do not understand.
Dr. Patel: I think, uh... No, I think... What way I will make you talk? You tell me the way. I will make you talk...
Prabhupāda: And you'll hear first of all.
Dr. Patel: Ācchā. Let us hear.
Prabhupāda: Then I... You are simply patient. Then if you cannot understand, you'll inquire. Not that you will think, "I know better than him. Therefore I shall talk." It will never help you to understand.
Dr. Patel: Well, if you run away with the idea that I am thinking that, it is wrong.
Prabhupāda: No, no. You are, you are habituated to think like that.
Dr. Patel: I am habituated.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is your...
Dr. Patel: Habit is... Habit is habit. But I have got all respect for you. Don't say that I am thinking that.
Prabhupāda: No, no. I know that. I know that.
Dr. Patel: That is... Don't run away with that idea that I am disrespecting you.
Prabhupāda: And therefore I am pointing out your defects.
Dr. Patel: That's all right. I am prepared to correct it.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: But you, you keep mum. If I don't excite, you don't speak. So which way I shall excite you? (laughter throughout)
Prabhupāda: No. There is no question of excitement. When you put a question, I shall answer it from the śāstras. Just like it is, it is any child can understand. If I ask a child, "What is this?" "Hand." "What is this?" "Head." "What is this?" "Leg." Does he say, "Body"? So you are speaking less than a child. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: Hm. That is what I am. That is what I am. That is what I am.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Any child, if you ask him, "My dear child, what is this?" He'll say, "It is hand." "What is this?" "It is head." "What is this?" "Leg." Does he say, "All body"? You are speaking like that.
Dr. Patel: Like... How shall I speak? Shall I beat your body?
Prabhupāda: No, no. (laughter) Don't speak.
Dr. Patel: Where is the right way?
Prabhupāda: No, no. Any gentleman says... It is right? If I ask a child, "What is this?" What he'll say? "It is hand." Will he say, "It is head"? Then? You are speaking like less than a child.
Dr. Patel: That is what I am.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Now, Mr. Sar!
Dr. Patel: No, he will not say anything because he's a baniya (?). He'll reserve his opinion.
Guest (4) (Indian man): To answer the scripture... (break)