Prabhupāda: (break) ...fire, explain.
Harikeśa: Oh, because people can't see life in fire, they think there's no life in it, so therefore there's no life in the sun. But it's just like the Tata factory. When you see it from a distance there's many planes and fires, but inside there's many people who are working. Therefore just because you can't see life in fire doesn't mean it's not there. We see life in the earth, we see life in the water, we see life in the air, so why not in the fire? Is that all right?
Prabhupāda: Now question, answer.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, one question is that the people in the Tata factory are not actually in the fire.
Prabhupāda: So they are also not in the fire. I say even if it is in the fire, there is no harm because the living soul is not burned to fire. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Adāhyo 'yam. Dāhya. Dāhya means burned. It is not burned. These are wrong conception. Because they have no conception of the soul, they think bhaṣmi bhūtasya dehasya: "When the body is burned, then the soul is also burned." If the soul is burned, then where is the question of tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13)? How? In the Hindu system they burn the body. So if the soul is also burned, then where is punar janma? You?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We can accept that the soul is not burned, but what about the body?
Prabhupāda: Body is burned.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So how can any body live in the sun?
Prabhupāda: So they are.... No, if.... They have got fiery body. As your body is made of earth, the fish body is made of water, and the so many others, different elements, so similarly, there the body is made of earth..., er, fire, fiery body. The so-called scientist, educationist, they.... Everything they conclude according to his own position. Therefore avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ (BG 9.11). They think Kṛṣṇa also "like me."
Acyutānanda: The fish is in the water, but the fish is not water.
Prabhupāda: No, fish is not water, but he has got a body suitable for the water.
Acyutānanda: So the people on the sun have earthly bodies...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Acyutānanda: ...who can tolerate heat.
Prabhupāda: Yes. There is no heat. They live.... Just like.... They are not suffocated. They don't feel any inconvenience. They enjoy. Against the waves they enjoy. You cannot go against the waves. They can go, even small fish. You'll find within this there are so many animals, so many. How they are living?
Acyutānanda: Also science cannot explain how it is burning. Where is the fuel supply?
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes.
Acyutānanda: And there is no smoke, no waste.
Prabhupāda: Nothing. They are all.... Therefore we say simply "rascals." We have given this title to them everlastingly. All rascals, mūḍha. Mūḍho nābhijānāti mām ebhyaḥ param avyayam. How Kṛṣṇa is working, they do not know. This is Bay of Bengal. Other side is Burma. (break) ...are so strong, it will never be drowned. Eh? (Hindi) The scientist says there is no life. Just disagree with them.
Acyutānanda: No life?
Prabhupāda: Scientists, yes, they say there is no life in the sun.
Acyutānanda: In the sun.
Prabhupāda: No, they say in every planet there is no life.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, only the earth planet.
Acyutānanda: Well, they have to qualify. They say, "life as we know it."
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Acyutānanda: They say, "There is no life as we know it," but there's some forms of life that they don't know.
Prabhupāda: So, but no, no. "As we know," but what do you know? You are rascal.
Devotee: They are trying by radio waves to reach people.
Prabhupāda: (Hindi) Sarva-ga, this word is. Sarva-ga. Jivātmā (Hindi)...
Devotee: (break) ...sending radio signals to faraway galaxies.
Prabhupāda: What is the meaning of their radios? Do you think that their radios are perfect? Do you think so? What, Acyutānanda Mahārāja? Radio perfect? It is not perfect.
Acyutānanda: And I think the demigods and higher beings, they can disturb all their radio attempts.
Prabhupāda: No, apart from that...
Acyutānanda: Because they don't want trespassers.
Prabhupāda: ...how you can accept their radio machine are perfect? Because it is made by imperfect person, so how it can be perfect? If the manufacturer is imperfect, how he can make perfect machine? Nothing is perfect.
Acyutānanda: Actually the United States government has a whole agency for unidentified flying objects that people have seen that they keep secret so as not to frighten the whole America thinking that visitors from other planets will come. But there are many incidents of pilots who fly around in airplanes, who see other strange-looking objects coming at them, flying at them, or people from the ground have seen many.
Devotee: One guy testified that he was picked up and taken away for four days.
Acyutānanda: Well, that was...
Prabhupāda: What they are? They are police? No. Mounted police?
Acyutānanda: Yes, mounted police.
Prabhupāda: A mounted police here?
Acyutānanda: Saber. Sword.
Devotee: Oh, it's a stick.
Acyutānanda: Oh, yes, lāṭhī, made like a stick. Yes.