Yadubara: Lord Indra is saying that Kṛṣṇa is so merciful that without punishing the offenses of the demons, that He devises means so that their false prestige is subdued.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Yadubara: How is that? How does He devise means without punishment?
Prabhupāda: This is the device, that He agitated Indra, and he came down and surrendered unto Him. This is the device. Not directly punishing. That he came to understand what is the value of Kṛṣṇa.
Yadubara: " 'My dear Lord, You are the supreme father, supreme spiritual master and supreme king.' " (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . accepted by Indra is all described in the Bhagavad-gītā. (break)
Yadubara: " 'You are the root of all creation.' " (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . composed after Mahābhārata.
Dr. Patel: Mahābhārata. Everybody says.
Yadubara: " 'Due to my gross ignorance, I created great disturbance in Vṛndāvana by sending torrents of rain and heavy hailstorms.' " (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . first of all, being observed by father of Kṛṣṇa. It is very important.
(break) . . . necessity of tapasya, if one worships Kṛṣṇa? Ārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim (Nārada Pañcarātra). And after austerities, if he does not know Kṛṣṇa, then what is the value of his tapasya?
(break) . . . imitating here, that is lust.
Dr. Patel: Anything with a view on the sex is lust.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is lust. Here everything is lust. Center is lust. Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham (SB 7.9.45). The central point is sex.
Dr. Patel: That is what . . . what this . . .? (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . philosophy.
Dr. Patel: Sigmund Freud.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Sigmund Freud.