Prabhupāda: I have seen so many governors. When they retire, nobody... (aside:) Where is that cap? Nobody cares.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is this desire for material happiness the cause of material attachment?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Kṛṣṇa bhuliya jīva bhoga vāñchā kare. When they forget to serve Kṛṣṇa and wants to enjoy this material world... Don't you see that these Māyāvādī philosophers are trying for liberation, and still, they are expecting to become God. That is another desire. Daridra-nārāyaṇa. The high ambition, to become God or equal to God, that is going on, struggle for existence.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: What about these rascals like Sai Baba? They use Kṛṣṇa's philosophy, and then they twist it in such a way that it becomes Māyāvāda.
Prabhupāda: No, no. He's a cheater. People want to be cheated. They come to sādhu for some material benefit. Don't you see that people are so much anxious to touch the feet of a sādhu? What is the reason? Reason is that if he gets some favor of the sādhu, "Then I shall be happy materially." That's all. They have no idea, becoming servant of Kṛṣṇa. Āśīrvāda (Hindi).
Brahmānanda: Swami(?) Deji(?) once told me he once wanted your āśīrvāda. I didn't know what the word meant. He was shocked. "You don't know what āśīrvāda is?" It was like I did not know anything because I did not know that. It means to take the benefit from the guru.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: But if he's a real guru, then the real benefit will be there.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: To be engaged in Kṛṣṇa's service.
Harikeśa: Do you want another cover, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: No. This is all right. (break)