Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like this Los Angeles City, there is a havoc of flood from the ocean and all men die. That does not mean extinct; the men are there somewhere else. You cannot say that human species is now extinct, because your study is limited.
Śyāmasundara: Supposing one man is particularly adapted, and he is smart, intelligent, and he survives when everything else is killed...
Prabhupāda: That he may survive, that we don't disagree.
Śyāmasundara: But he would say that that man passes on his superior traits to his children, and it's another species.
Prabhupāda: No. He survives, but many other men like him, they are existing somewhere. He may survive of this catastrophe, but that does not mean that other men are all extinct. You cannot say that. In these circumstances this man may survive or may not survive, but man is existing somewhere else.
Śyāmasundara: And another example, for instance there is a dog called the Pekinese dog. It was made by man, it was developed by men. They took a certain type of dog and crushed it's jaws in so many instances until eventually that trait was passed on naturally to its children...
Prabhupāda: But he is still, it belongs to the dog species. We are speaking of dog species.
Śyāmasundara: But it's a new type of dog. New type. Never existed before that, here.
Prabhupāda: New type, that will not exist also. Because it has been artificially made, it is existing now; now it will not exist again.
Karandhara: There's a kind of Indians, when the babies are young they put a board on their head so that (indistinct) like that.
Śyāmasundara: But now this dog is produced naturally, with its face like that.
Karandhara: But it's still a dog.
Prabhupāda: The dog species.
Śyāmasundara: But it's a new species of dog.
Karandhara: Well, they may call it a new species, but according to Vedic definition it isn't a new species.
Śyāmasundara: What did you just define by species? You mean different types of men, you say...
Prabhupāda: The species, definition of species according to biology is different. We say species means jāti, human race.
Śyāmasundara: So four hundred thousand species of humans.
Karandhara: Different levels of consciousness?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Different levels of consciousness.
Śyāmasundara: I see.
Karandhara: And within any species there can an infinite variety of variations of that one species. Just like...
Prabhupāda: Just like the scientists, their species is different. Just like we are making division that 400,000 different types of men. They will say this is one species.
Śyāmasundara: So would you say, for instance, someone who is less intelligent or more intelligent than I am is in a different species?
Prabhupāda: Less intelligent or more intelligent does not make any species, because suppose you have got five children, one is less intelligent, more intelligent.
Śyāmasundara: He was just saying levels of consciousness determine the species.
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is levels of consciousness, that just like we divide the human society: some men are brāhmaṇas, some men are kṣatriyas, some men are vaiśyas, that can be found at any time.
Śyāmasundara: Those are species?
Prabhupāda: They are not species, according to their...
Śyāmasundara: They are types of men.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We said varieties.
Śyāmasundara: Then what is the different species of man, separate from me; for instance, what is another species that is different than I am?
Prabhupāda: I do not know exactly the species, but when we, (break) ...means jāti, manuṣya jāti.
Śyāmasundara: I mean what is an example of different species of man. What are they, for example, several species of men?
Prabhupāda: I say that species, this word is not applicable in that sense. In that sense, according to the scientists' species. But when we say species, class you can say. Classes.