Girirāja: "Within the prison, shackled in iron chains, Vasudeva and Devakī gave birth to a male child year after year. Kaṁsa, thinking each of the babies to be the incarnation of Viṣṇu, killed them one after another."
Prabhupāda: Yes. He killed his brother. He was merciful upon the father only, kept him in the prison. Otherwise he killed the whole family—brother, brother's son and everyone. (break) ...present kings, such incidences are very many in the history, killing everyone. There is another story that Pana, Pana?
Yaśomatīnandana: Panavada.(?)
Prabhupāda: Yes. The child was to be killed and the...
Yaśomatīnandana: Sarvan sevya.(?)
Prabhupāda: Yes, Hare Kṛṣṇa. The maidservant, she changed her own son and kept the real royal family, defended him. Her child was killed.
Yaśomatīnandana: Is it a true story?
Prabhupāda: Yes, why not? (break) ...and maternal uncle of Rāvaṇa.
Yaśomatīnandana: Did Kaṁsa also achieve the grace? He was immediately transferred to the spiritual planets after he was killed?
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)
Girirāja: ...being killed by Viṣṇu in his previous life he wasn't transferred?
Prabhupāda: No, three times he had to take birth. Hiraṇyākṣa.
Yaśomatīnandana: Is that Jaya and Vijaya?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Yaśomatīnandana: He was one of them?
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) ...becomes envious of others, they take birth as dogs, snake, sarpa krūra khala krūra. So much subtle laws are working. They do not know.
Yaśomatīnandana: Their limited intelligence.
Prabhupāda: Limited intelligence, yes. (break)
Yaśomatīnandana: ...nirmatsarāṇām.
Prabhupāda: Ah, paramo nirmatsarāṇām satāṁ vāstavya vastu vedyam atra (SB 1.1.2). Not for anyone. Paramo nirmatsarāṇām. That means devotees. Devotees are nirmatsarā, not envious. Otherwise everyone is envious. (break) ...like a vehicle like this. In U.P. there is, called tanga.
Yaśomatīnandana: Surat also, they have a lot of these.
Prabhupāda: Tanga? Like this?
Yaśomatīnandana: Not like this. (end)