Prabhupāda: What is the use of creating new forms? Already there are eight million.
Rādhā-vallabha: But their claim is that by breeding different forms together they will get superior forms. They give the example...
Prabhupāda: You cannot maintain your own child form. You are killing, and what is the use of increasing?
Rādhā-vallabha: Well, for example they used to have wild boars. They could not eat them. But they have bred now very fat pigs to eat. So they consider this to be a great advantage.
Yadubara: Also with fruits and vegetables they are combining and creating new types.
Prabhupāda: Factually, (indistinct) so many varieties.
Brahmānanda: Like the nectāriṇe is a combination of a peach and a plum.
Jayādvaita: We have the real nectarine, though. (break)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...created a new species, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: What they created? The nectāriṇe you may have created, but the peach and the plum was there.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But they have created a new thing.
Prabhupāda: What new creation? Unless there was plum and peach, how could you create?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So the peach and plum create .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Yadubara: So they're dependent on the material world. (?)