Prabhupāda: Big, big swamis, they are advocating, "Eat meat."
Guest (2): Is that right?
Prabhupāda: Oh yes. Ramakrishna Mission, they eat meat.
Guest (2): I don't think so.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Lucille: I don't know about the swamis, but I know a lot of the Vedāntists do.
Guest (2): That's news to me.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Vivekananda says, "What is that, meat-eating?" Kṛṣṇa says, makes division...
Guest (2): Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was the incarnation of Lord Rāma and Kṛṣṇa...
Prabhupāda: That is to Vivekananda, not to others.
Guest (2): Was he not realized?
Prabhupāda: That is another question. Don't bring controversial. If you have got Kṛṣṇa, what is the use of Ramakrishna? When you have got Kṛṣṇa original, why should you go to Ramakrishna? A shopkeeper says, "This is the same medicine, sir, but it is very cheap." But a real customer says, "No, I want the original. I don't want this imitation. Give me the original." Accepting Ramakrishna as incarnation, so why shall I go to incarnation when I have got Kṛṣṇa?
Guest (2): Like you said, guru you know. We go through...
Prabhupāda: There is paramparā. So there is symptoms of guru not that everyone becomes guru. These are controversial points. We don't want this. Why don't you give the ladies first, these ladies? (Hindi) Yes. I am old man. Old men, children, ladies, they must be first supplied. That's...
Guest (2): First (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: Our Indian etiquette is that, first brāhmaṇas, then woman, children, then others.
Lucille: In Mexico too, the older people.
Prabhupāda: Oh, you are coming from Mexico?
Lucille: No, I have...
Prabhupāda: We have got our temple in Mexico City. What is the address of our temple?
Śyāmasundara: It's near Chapultepec Park.
Lucille: I hope to go visit my grandmother.
Prabhupāda: Oh. Mexico is very nice city. I have gone there.
Guest (2): Being a brāhmaṇa by birth, does it mean anything?
Prabhupāda: No, they are not born of brāhmaṇa father. Now they are brāhmaṇas.
Guest (2): But you were saying about brāhmaṇas, so I...
Prabhupāda: Brāhmaṇas means qualified brāhmaṇas. When you say engineer, that means qualified engineer, not born engineer. Engineer is not born. "Because his father is engineer, he is engineer." And what is this? You become engineer. Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ. Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam (BG 4.13). There must be qualification and work; otherwise what kind of brāhmaṇa? (Hindi) These are all milk preparation. We can make so many hundreds and thousands of milk preparation. Instead of cutting the throat of the cows, why don't you use her milk? Dallas is a great place for cutting the throat of cows?
Śyāmasundara: All over Texas.
Guest (2): Fort Worth.
Śyāmasundara: Where we went to that television show today, that was Fort Worth. That's another city. They have more slaughterhouses.
Guest (2): I had some arguments about this. Some people won't eat cow. They say, "It's not Indian cow, so we can eat it." (laughs) All kinds of intelligent arguments.
Prabhupāda: Indian people say like that?
Guest (2): Some of them, not all. It's not said, anybody. It's just argument of people that... Even Americans. People, they say, "We are not killing your sacred cow because your sacred cow is in your country." It was long ago, I remember. During lunch break we had some argument.
Prabhupāda: Then what are these? American cows?
Guest (2): Yes. They said, "Our cows are not holy."
Prabhupāda: Apaśyatām ātma-tattvaṁ gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām (SB 2.1.2). They are blind. They do not know about self. Apaśyatām ātma-tattvaṁ gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām (SB 2.1.2). Parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam. Everyone is born fool. So fool's activities means defeat. So human life, although born fool, they should have knowledge. Without knowledge all their activities are defeat of life, parābhava. So long he is not inquisitive to understand what is his self, whatever he is doing, it is simply for his defeat, parābhava.