Prabhupāda: Yes, He is very important, but He is son, a very important son. Just like father may have many sons, but one of them may be very important, very good assistant to the father so Christ is like that. He is son of God, very important, He's helping God coming down to reclaim these fallen souls that "Come to God, why you are suffering here?" Son, He's very faithful and important son. But the others, they are also sons, but they have forgotten God. Therefore they are suffering. So sometimes He sends His son or His devotee and sometimes He comes Himself, that is Kṛṣṇa.
Jesuit: And He comes in bodily form?
Prabhupāda: Yes. God has... Why, the son has got body then the father has got body. Your son has got body so you have got your body. Without the father having body, how the son can get body?
Jesuit: I don't understand that.
Prabhupāda: If... Suppose your son, you have got this body, so your father must have body.
Jesuit: Yes, true.
Prabhupāda: Similarly if the son of God has body, the God must have body.
Guest: Not necessarily.
Prabhupāda: Why? Can you show any example, a son is born from without body?
Jesuit: That is on a very human level which...
Prabhupāda: Anyway that your experience is on the human field, you have to give some example that "Here is no body but the sun has body." Show me the example.
Jesuit: You can have a man who has a thing in what we would call super-eminence and he has it on a higher form...
Prabhupāda: Higher form maybe, but there is form.
Jesuit: You take a musician like Beethoven, a musician...
Prabhupāda: We also say that the God has got form but not form like this.
Jesuit: No, he hasn't got form in Aristotle's idea of the word form either, his higher wathic(?) theory of matter and form. In a sense, form there means spirit and so...
Prabhupāda: Yes, spiritual form.
Jesuit: ...but we're not using it in that sense. When you're using the word form, you mean a material form like a shape, a body...
Prabhupāda: No, no, I don't say material form, spiritual form.
Jesuit: Well, I haven't understood you then. God, you say, has a form.
Prabhupāda: Spiritual form.
Jesuit: Aḥ well, matter of words, I can understand that. He has a...
Prabhupāda: Not this form.
Jesuit: No, not material. He's not matter, He's pure...
Prabhupāda: No, no.
Jesuit: We would say He's pure spirit...
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes, yes, that is stated in the...
Jesuit: There's no form of passivity in God, there's no form of change in God, there's no, no limitations of any sort. Matter has limitations. The soul is immortal because it has no principle of corruption in it. Aristotle would say that matter has parts, outside parts, and so it can, it has in itself the power of dissolving and it would break up, corrupts. The soul never does.
Prabhupāda: We have got this material body and spiritual soul. That is in this material condition there is distinction between the spirit and matter. As soon as the spirit goes from this material body, it has no value.
Jesuit: No life, true.
Prabhupāda: It is matter only, lump of matter, combination of matter. Therefore the spirit is important even in this life.
Jesuit: Oh, I see that, of course.
Prabhupāda: Yes, spirit is important. But God is fully spirit, He has no material quality. Yes. We have got, in this material condition, difference between the matter and spirit, but God has not so, such thing. He is whole spirit. That is the difference between God...
Jesuit: And also, as a result, the human, you, I, all these, we're all persons separate from one another, distinct from one another, and distinct from God, who is a separate person.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes, we admit that.
Jesuit: It's that I haven't understood. Sometimes you get pantheists who talk as though God is made up of a sum total of...
Prabhupāda: That is a theory, that is a theory, that is not fact.
Jesuit: No, it's a false theory because it goes against all logic and philosophy.
Prabhupāda: But no, theory in this form that God is everywhere, by His potency but everything is not God. This is our philosophy. God is everywhere. Just like the sunshine. Sunshine is spread everywhere but that does not mean that everything is sun.
Jesuit: That's true.
Prabhupāda: It is like that. God is all-pervading by His potency. This book, this is also energy of God. Find out this verse, bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ khaṁ mano buddhir eva ca (BG 7.4).