Prabhupāda: What is your answer?
Rāmeśvara: So we show them our books and say that these are the real scriptures, real quality. The (indistinct) have to be the quality of the spiritual knowledge.
Prabhupāda: How do you explain? You are realized or not? (indistinct)
Rāmeśvara: Prabhupāda, when you say that this is the knowledge that's been realized...
Prabhupāda: What is that? Why don't you explain? (indistinct) That means they do not know.
Devotee (2): One who is developing in spiritual life is becoming detached from material things. These persons who are following other gurus are attached to material things. They're still smoking, having sex life, drinking.
Jayatīrtha: It's difficult to (indistinct) detached to material things. One should be attached to Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: That attachment will become. That is the special (indistinct). You cannot be completely detached. If you be detachment from something, you must be attached to something. Otherwise you have no perception(?). So you should be detached from matter and attached to Kṛṣṇa.