You become guru, but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become... What is the use of producing some rascal guru?

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"What is the use of producing some rascal guru" |"you become guru, but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become"

1977 Conversations and Morning Walks

No, you become guru, but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become... What is the use of producing some rascal guru?

Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay:

Prabhupāda: Śrīdhara Mahārāja belonged to the Bagh Bazaar party. And I was living aloof. My Guru Mahārāja approved. He said, "It is better that he is aloof from them."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He could understand that his disciples were not... Prabhupāda: No, he was very sorry. At the last stage he was disgusted. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But that... That doesn't mean that your disciples should think also, "I will remain aloof just as our Prabhupāda..." Prabhupāda: No, that I have not said. Therefore I used so strong word on the, our Surabhī's action. This was made independently. He has written. He has given photograph. That is not good. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I took that as a good instruction to all of us, your rebuking. Prabhupāda: I told him that "You cannot do so independent. You are doing nice, but not to do in the... You admit." People complained against Haṁsadūta. Did you know that? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm not sure of the particular incidences, but I've heard general... Prabhupāda: In Germany. In Germany. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The devotees there. Prabhupāda: So many complaints. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Therefore change is good. Prabhupāda: No, you become guru, but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, that kind of complaint was there. Prabhupāda: Did you know that? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I heard that, yeah. Prabhupāda: What is the use of producing some rascal guru? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible... Prabhupāda: Hm. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...but not now. Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become ācārya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all ācārya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The process of purification must be there. Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahāprabhu wants that. Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā (CC Madhya 7.128). "You become guru." (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower... Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not rubber stamp. Prabhupāda: Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gauḍīya Maṭha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and "guru." What kind of guru? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff... My Guru Mahārāja used to say, "Joint mess," a place for eating and sleeping. Amar amar ara takana (?)(Bengali): "Joint mess." He said this. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That word "mess," by that word he meant eating, messing, eating? Prabhupāda: Yes. Messing, there is a system. Some clerks, they make a small cooperative hotel. In India there are many. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That I see in South India sometimes... In places like hotels I see. Prabhupāda: Yes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Men who work, they all come... Prabhupāda: Cooperative effort. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So he called that a joint mess, and he said that some of the disciples were doing that. Prabhupāda: He knew that. What is the use? Tīrtha Mahārāja's defense was that. "These people..." They were fighting with Tīrtha Mahārāja in the court that "Tīrtha Mahārāja was not good." Tīrtha Mahārāja's only defense was "All right, you want to combine to make a guru. All right, why don't you combine yourself for preaching?" Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What was his defense? Prabhupāda: That "You want to work jointly, so why you do not work jointly? You are jointly working to harass me. Why not preach jointly?" Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What was their reply? Prabhupāda: No reply. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So it was a good defense. Prabhupāda: Yes. "You have joined together to defeat me. Why don't you preach jointly? What do you want? That I shall also join and we shall jointly preach. Do this. You are divided amongst yourselves, and you have joined together to defeat me." Śrīdhara Mahārāja is the leader.