Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes people ask that "If God is so great, then why doesn't He just come and destroy all the evil?"
Prabhupāda: Because you have to suffer. You are rascal. You must suffer. Therefore evil must be there.
Brahmānanda: Why doesn't He force us to be good?
Prabhupāda: Just like if the criminals and thieves say, "Why government has created this prisonhouse?" Is it very good argument? It is for you, rascal. You are criminal. You must suffer. Why it is to be abolished? Otherwise who will suffer? It is for your suffering.
Brahmānanda: Why are we evil? Why doesn't God makes us good?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Brahmānanda: Why are we evil?
Prabhupāda: No, God says that "You become devotee of Me." You do not become. That is your fault. Therefore you must... Just like government does not say that you become criminal. Government says, "You become educated. You become high-court judge, become big officer." Why you become criminal, pickpocket? Does government give any education for becoming pickpocket? Hm? Is there any institution how to steal, how to become pickpocket? (laughter) Then why do you become? Just see. (break) ...eatables you can collect, and I shall show you how to cook in the cooker. One boy. You also see, because nobody will go there.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Harikeśa is getting his visa today.
Prabhupāda: So we can return. (break) Whole educational system is defective because there is no spiritual education. That has made everything impossible.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: One young boy in Johannesburg wanted to join us. He is sixteen years old. So his headmaster said, "What you will do without an education?" They think that this is the greatest ignorance. These are the leaders of education, the headmaster. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...spiritual education, he remains an animal. That's all. (break) That is Vedānta-sūtra, athāto brahma jijñāsā. To find out the ultimate goal, that is education. Janmādy asya yataḥ (SB 1.1.1), "Wherefrom everything is coming," that is education.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: But they may say, "That is not practical, because we will starve to death with such knowledge."
Prabhupāda: Then... Then you are useless. Because you cannot go to the ultimate point of education, therefore your education is useless.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: But then they will ask, "You will come and bring me food?"
Prabhupāda: Yes, I will give you food. Food is there. You are not creating food. It is... From the earth it is grown.
Brahmānanda: But we have to work very hard; otherwise we won't get money for buying food.
Prabhupāda: No. You work a very slight three months in a year and get all food. Food is there; milk is there; land is there. You have to work.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is it possible to take the mass of crowlike people and give them the higher taste?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is it possible to take a mass of crowlike people and elevate them?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Human beings, after all, they are. They can be educated. That is the opportunity of human life, that he can be educated. The cats and dogs cannot. (break)