Prabhupāda: So everyone will get that peace?
(translated into German throughout)
German lady (1): (German) (break).
Pṛthu: She thinks that everyone will get after death this peace.
Prabhupāda: The cats and dogs? Everyone? The same?
German lady (1): (German) (break)
Pṛthu: ...different from cats and dogs in as much as he has something spiritual in himself, and she says if this spiritual is more emotions and so on.
Prabhupāda: So what is that difference? (break)
Pṛthu: Cats and dogs are animals, and they don't have..., animals, they don't have any spiritual life. They live more after instincts.
Prabhupāda: So if the man and animal is working for the same purpose... Just like man is eating, and the animal is also eating. A man is sleeping, and the animal is also sleeping. The man is also having sexual intercourse, and the animal also doing that. And man is also fearful of his enemy, and the animal also fearful of enemies. So if the platform of activities are the same, why the difference is there? (break)
Pṛthu: She says that the difference is that the men does all these activities with his mind and...
Prabhupāda: But the activity is the same: eating. Where is the difference between these activities or that activities?
German lady (1): (German)
Pṛthu: So she said that the animals are doing their eating process through the roots, and the men, or the animals, she says, they do it instinct, like before, and the man does it with a spiritual, this. She says that is...
Prabhupāda: No, no. I think the... When a man eats and the animal eats, either it is done by instinct or by intelligence, but where is the difference? (break)
Pṛthu: So her point is that man was former primitive, but he has developed by his intelligence this advanced civilization, this, all this kinds of stuff, but the..., but the bird or the animal, for instance, he was former primitive, and he is now primitive. So she says that is the evidence that man has some mind or intelligence.
Prabhupāda: Because he can build nice building, therefore he has got some intelligence?
Pṛthu: Yes.
Prabhupāda: But the effect of building, that he builds according to his instinct, and you construct according to your intelligence, but the sleeping comfort is the same.
(break) ...such a nice building, and his enemy throws bomb on it. But the dogs, they do not do that. So who is advanced: the dog or the man?
German lady (1): (German)
Pṛthu: Yes, she admits that the man, by his intelligence, he makes something up which destroys ultimately. But the dog doesn't do that, she says.
Prabhupāda: No, no. The dog has no greater intelligence. Therefore he sleeps under some bush very comfortably. But man has made very nice building, and another man destroys it by bombing. So the dog's intelligence is better or the man's intelligence is better? (break)
Pṛthu: So she says that the man, by his intelligence, will go on, go on inventing some things which will destroy, and...
Prabhupāda: So is that very good intelligence?