To bring these fools and rascals from the pravrtti-marga to nivrtti-marga, this is Krsna consciousness. Therefore we have got . . . (indistinct) . . . sense gratification. Then we cannot imitate. That is the whole Vedic process: Difference between revisions

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To bring these fools and rascals from the pravṛtti-mārga to nivṛtti-mārga, this is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore we have got . . . (indistinct) . . . sense gratification. Then we cannot imitate. That is the whole Vedic process. Just like those who are meat-eaters, the Vedic process is, it doesn't say imitate it. No. Stop eating, we say, because our process is a little advanced than ordinary Vedic process.

721009 - Arrival Lecture BG 02.44 - Honolulu

Under the . . . completely under the grip of material nature, the rascals, they are thinking, "I am independent. There is no God, there is no control; I can do whatever I like." That is not the fact. The fact is that we are fools and rascals. We have come to enjoy this material world, but under the control of material nature.

(disturbance from children)

(aside) You must hold him.

So if we go in the pravṛtti-mārga, increase our sense gratification propensity, then we shall be entangled, and in this way . . . as human beings you have got advanced stage. The nature brings you from the aquatics, I was just stating, from the fish life, to plant life, to vegetable life, to . . . in this way 2,000,000's forms, gradually. This is called evolution—one after another, one after another. So long you are not human being, you are coming through the laws of nature automatically. Now, when you come to the form of human being, and bahūnāṁ janmanām ante (BG 7.19), after many, many births, after many, many millions of years, you come; nature brings you.

Now, because we have got little independence, nature . . . of course, we have not become dependent willingly, but Kṛṣṇa does not touch your independence. Therefore He has given you advanced consciousness in human form of life, so that you now decide which way you shall go.

This pravṛtti-mārga—unlimitedly. Pravṛtti-mārga means if you want to enjoy the senses whimsically, as much as you like, that is called pravṛtti-mārga. And the other mārga, way is the crossing, the nivṛtti-mārga: no more sense gratification. That is called nivṛtti-mārga.

So to bring these fools and rascals from the pravṛtti-mārga to nivṛtti-mārga, this is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore we have got . . . (indistinct) . . . sense gratification. Then we cannot imitate. That is the whole Vedic process. Just like those who are meat-eaters, the Vedic process is, it doesn't say imitate it. No. Stop eating, we say, because our process is a little advanced than ordinary Vedic process. This is also Vedic process. Because where is the time? Where is the time? So the Vedic process says: "All right, if you cannot stop meat-eating, just offer some small animal before Goddess Kali." The worship of Goddess Kali means it is a concession to the meat-eaters. It is not required. It is tamasic.

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-To bring these fools and rascals from the pravṛtti-mārga to nivṛtti-mārga, this is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore we have got . . . (indistinct) . . . sense gratification. Then we cannot imitate. That is the whole Vedic process. Just like those who are meat-eaters, the Vedic process is, it doesn't say imitate it. No. Stop eating, we say, because our process is a little advanced than ordinary Vedic process. This is also Vedic process. Because where is the time? Where is the time? So the Vedic process says: "All right, if you cannot stop meat-eating, just offer some small animal before Goddess Kali." The worship of Goddess Kali means it is a concession to the meat-eaters. It is not required. It is tamasic.
+To bring these fools and rascals from the pravṛtti-mārga to nivṛtti-mārga, this is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore we have got . . . (indistinct) . . . sense gratification. Then we cannot imitate. That is the whole Vedic process. Just like those who are meat-eaters, the Vedic process is, it doesn't say imitate it. No. Stop eating, we say, because our process is a little advanced than ordinary Vedic process.
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-Because we have got little independence, nature . . . of course, we have not become dependent willingly, but Kṛṣṇa does not touch your independence. Therefore He has given you advanced consciousness in human form of life, so that you now decide which way you shall go.
+Under the . . . completely under the grip of material nature, the rascals, they are thinking, "I am independent. There is no God, there is no control; I can do whatever I like." That is not the fact. The fact is that we are fools and rascals. We have come to enjoy this material world, but under the control of material nature.
-This pravṛtti-mārga—unlimitedly. Pravṛtti-mārga means if you want to enjoy the senses whimsically, as much as you like, that is called pravṛtti-mārga. And the other mārga, way is the crossing, the nivṛtti-mārga: no more sense gratification. That is called nivṛtti-mārga.
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-So to bring these fools and rascals from the pravṛtti-mārga to nivṛtti-mārga, this is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore we have got . . . (indistinct) . . . sense gratification. Then we cannot imitate. That is the whole Vedic process. Just like those who are meat-eaters, the Vedic process is, it doesn't say imitate it. No. Stop eating, we say, because our process is a little advanced than ordinary Vedic process. This is also Vedic process. Because where is the time? Where is the time? So the Vedic process says: "All right, if you cannot stop meat-eating, just offer some small animal before Goddess Kali." The worship of Goddess Kali means it is a concession to the meat-eaters. It is not required. It is tamasic.
+(aside) You must hold him.
-So pravṛtti-mārga or nivṛtti-mārga, so we have to become fixed about these things. We cannot be deviant. If somebody cannot tolerate to sit down, then you don't mind for them. We want one moon, not millions of stars. We don't want. What is the use of the moon (stars)? Useless. If you have one moon, it will light the whole sky, full moon. So we are trying to make one moon, not million stars. This is our policy.
+So if we go in the pravṛtti-mārga, increase our sense gratification propensity, then we shall be entangled, and in this way . . . as human beings you have got advanced stage. The nature brings you from the aquatics, I was just stating, from the fish life, to plant life, to vegetable life, to . . . in this way 2,000,000's forms, gradually. This is called evolution—one after another, one after another. So long you are not human being, you are coming through the laws of nature automatically. Now, when you come to the form of human being, and bahūnāṁ janmanām ante (BG 7.19), after many, many births, after many, many millions of years, you come; nature brings you.
+Now, because we have got little independence, nature . . . of course, we have not become dependent willingly, but Kṛṣṇa does not touch your independence. Therefore He has given you advanced consciousness in human form of life, so that you now decide which way you shall go.
+This pravṛtti-mārga—unlimitedly. Pravṛtti-mārga means if you want to enjoy the senses whimsically, as much as you like, that is called pravṛtti-mārga. And the other mārga, way is the crossing, the nivṛtti-mārga: no more sense gratification. That is called nivṛtti-mārga.
+So to bring these fools and rascals from the pravṛtti-mārga to nivṛtti-mārga, this is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore we have got . . . (indistinct) . . . sense gratification. Then we cannot imitate. That is the whole Vedic process. Just like those who are meat-eaters, the Vedic process is, it doesn't say imitate it. No. Stop eating, we say, because our process is a little advanced than ordinary Vedic process. This is also Vedic process. Because where is the time? Where is the time? So the Vedic process says: "All right, if you cannot stop meat-eating, just offer some small animal before Goddess Kali." The worship of Goddess Kali means it is a concession to the meat-eaters. It is not required. It is tamasic.
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