Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) ...milk, you get gobar.
Jayapatākā: One boy has come from Miami who has been trained to work with the cows, a gṛhastha, and he is considering seriously to stay and develop this...
Prabhupāda: That's nice.
Jayapatākā: ...so we can have enough milk for all the devotees.
Prabhupāda: Name.
Jayapatākā: His name was...
Satsvarūpa: Janārdana? No.
Jayapatākā: Yes, I think so. Janārdana.
Prabhupāda: What is the name?
Jayapatākā: Janārdana.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Jayapatākā: And that gentleman you were just talking with this morning, he is the head of the department of veterinary, of tropical college of medicine on Chittaranjan.
Prabhupāda: What is his name?
Jayapatākā: Mr. Rao.
Prabhupāda: Raot?
Jayapatākā: Raot maybe, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He's good man. He offered me obeisances flat. Hm. So he's a good man.
Jayapatākā: Last time he came he was chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa much.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So treat him nicely.
Jayapatākā: I offered that he should come at least once or twice a month. He can see the cows, and he can take prasāda, and we'll give him...
Prabhupāda: With family come. And he'll have good association of the devotees.
Jayapatākā: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyam (BG 18.44). The other day you were asking me about the wages, labor.
Jayapatākā: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So our point is the devotees shall work. So there is no program to pay wages.
Jayapatākā: Gradually, more and more, we're getting more devotees who can work in the agriculture. But to date, most of the people that join are either the handloomers or... We're getting mostly handloomers and to some extent some more learned, more educated boys.
Prabhupāda: Not labor class.
Jayapatākā: Not labor class. But we need them also for translation and other things. So to make up the gap them we had to hire. But that's lessened... Now we're getting also. Some labor class are joining.
Prabhupāda: So hire. That also he can become devotee. He can spare fifty percent of his income. Then he becomes a devotee. Hiring men and working, I don't think that will be very profitable. Then we can purchase from the market.
Jayapatākā: Even a lot of men are used for making the garden. In the beginning, converting the land to garden land for flowers requires a lot of labor. Because flowers require very...
Prabhupāda: Fertile.
Jayapatākā: ...fertile and particularly fine soil that has to be dug and chopped and cleaned out.
Prabhupāda: Ordinary soil flower does not grow?
Jayapatākā: No, it... Not so well. In our city project we are thinking that those laborers who would be devotees, mostly the labor class, they won't like to live separate from their families. So we were thinking that they could be paid something, and then they would give half of that, as you suggested, back. In this way they would be devotees, And they would eat prasāda with everyone and attend all the programs, but they'd buy their own cloth and things with the other half. But they would have to have separate quarters somewhere.
Prabhupāda: Where? Within our campus or outside?
Jayapatākā: That would be a separate area. Of course, in that vast city project there was enough room for different quarters where one place brahmacārīs could stay, other place, families. Just like now it's actually getting overcrowded for the handlooms. We should have a separate, one big handloom place. That would be more efficient.
Prabhupāda: Where you have?
Jayapatākā: Where... Just the place would have to be... Their place is a bit irregular. Seeing the ultimate plan, we have to find out one place. It would be in this area somewhere. Now they're keeping records of how much is spent on agriculture, and how much is received. So what is the profit or loss, that can be ascertained. And actually that's not such a threat because I know that many of the things he is doing by contract. If at some time we need outside laborer for, say, harvest time, we need to harvest—so we pay them ten rupees or twenty rupees to harvest one bighā. So there is no question of labor. That is the contract.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Jayapatākā: In so many ways we can...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Jayapatākā: ...go around that.
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Jayapatākā: Envious people just trying to upset. The Western devotees that come, they are amazed that all of the devotees that are here, all the families are living separate from their wives. No temple has achieved that yet.
Prabhupāda: Everything can be done by practice.
Jayapatākā: The hari-nāma is purifying them because they are chanting so many hours. Now, when we give class, they also ask questions.
Prabhupāda: Life is coming.
Jayapatākā: Yes. Taking time. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: That is the fact.
Jayapatākā: You can put the life in the dead man Śrīla Prabhupāda. We were all practically dead but you are putting life in us.
Prabhupāda: I don't think in any other place there are so many activities.
Jayapatākā: No.
Prabhupāda: They come during that festival only.
Satsvarūpa: Every night many people come. (end)