Prabhupāda: In spite of so much obstacles, we are increasing. Our books are selling. They are advancing. We are getting more devotees. Our movement is not checked. It is... (break) But you do not know. We are dropping from the sky? Our main movement is Europe, America.
Indian man (3): Throughout the world over.
Prabhupāda: All over the world.
Indian man (3): No, all over the world I have heard about...
Prabhupāda: So all over the world does not include Europe?
Indian man (3): No, it does.
Prabhupāda: Then why you ask me? We have got in every country of Europe-England, Germany, France, Portugal, Spain, Rome, Sweden, everywhere.
German man: But the Pope is agreeing with you in Rome?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
German man: The Pope is agreeing?
Devotee (2): The Pope.
Prabhupāda: Pope.
German man: In Rome. He is agreeing with Hare Kṛṣṇa...?
Prabhupāda: But he agree or... Who cares for his agreement?
German man: With chanting and...
Prabhupāda: We don't care for anyone agrees or not. We push on. That's all. Do you think in India they agree Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Person? Then? We don't care for them. We have to go forward. That is our business. If Kṛṣṇa agrees, that is all right. We don't care for anyone else, agrees or not agrees. If our master agrees—we are servant—that is our satis... We don't care for ordinary...
Indian man (3): Unfortunately, that this training ground all over the world, excluding India, the birthplace of... There the movement should be increased. In present you have got temples in here...
Prabhupāda: (Hindi) They say, "What is this Hare Kṛṣṇa? We have chanted Hare Kṛṣṇa many times. Now let us meditate." This is going on.
Devotee (2): The Indian government even does not grant visa for the followers of Hare Kṛṣṇa movement in India.
Prabhupāda: So we are not dependent on Indian government.
Devotee (2): Just a few months long.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Devotee (2): They don't give long-term visa for Hare Kṛṣṇa movement in India.
Prabhupāda: No.
Devotee (2): Just for few months.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Devotee (2): As tourist people.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Three months. Utmost, six months. And we are losing five to six lakhs of rupees per year for this injustice. I have pointed out the government that "In America they give permanent residentship to so many Indians. I am also. I have got that blue card, formal residence in America. So why don't you give them permanent residence? They are my assistants." "No." This is our misfortune. I am preaching Indian culture all over the world, and I am bringing at least ten lakhs of rupees, foreign exchange, for my Indian activities, but there is no help from the government. This is our position.
Indian man (4): So now the government has changed.
Prabhupāda: But the machine is the same.
Indian man (3): It may be due to secular state. Maybe that also.
Prabhupāda: No, secular state it was...
Indian man (4): Secularism means it's opposed to religion.
Devotee (2): Different parties, different government.
Prabhupāda: No, no. We have to study the Indian constitution. It is defective because by the same constitution our present Prime Minister was put into custody for nineteen months. And we are working on the same constitution. So the constitution itself is defective. Anything man-made will be defective.
Indian man (3): It will never be perfect.
Prabhupāda: Therefore I am insisting that "Take the instruction of Kṛṣṇa. You'll be perfect. Don't manufacture."
Indian man (5): You can't have that in authoritarianism. You get that in Delhi, where they feel that they are authority.
Prabhupāda: So become authority. That is... We said that. You become guru, authority. But you learn first of all as celā from the guru. And then you become guru. And without any learning, without any..., how become a guru? That is going on. Everyone is self-made guru. That has to be stopped.