Prabhupada: That means a rascal. Why should you not...? You answer, then what is next?
Madhudvisa: They will say he is finished.
Prabhupada: No, how it can be finished? How it can be finished?
Madhudvisa: Because they don't have a concept of spiritual...
Prabhupada: If you have come stage by stage by stage... It is finished to your eyes. Just like the sunshine is there. "In the evening there will be no more sun; it is finished." What is this nonsense? Is it finished? A rascal may say it is finished.
Rupanuga: Out of sight, they say it is finished.
Prabhupada: Yes. So this thing you have to convince them. Why should you allow them to remain a rascal? Now the sun is rising. Does it mean all of a sudden a sun is created? So these are the examples. You have to preach like that. Simply believe your eyes? You believe also there was no sun; now it is sun. That means all of a sudden a sun became created. See the intelligent persons and convince them. Yad yad acarati sresthah (BG 3.21). Pick up the best man. Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He picked up the best men, Sanatana Gosvami, Rupa Gosvami. So His movement became successful. Sanatana Gosvami was not an ordinary man. Very educated, learned brahmana and minister, Caitanya Mahaprabhu picked up. Similarly Rupa Gosvami, similarly Jiva Gosvami. Picked up means by His preaching they became converted. So similarly pick up a person like Sanatana Gosvami, intelligent, in position, and try to convince him. Why he will not be convinced, if he's a human being? This is not religion. That I am breathing, what is this breathing? Eh? What is the breathing?
Gurukrpa: Air going in and out.
Prabhupada: Yes. Now, when the breathing is stopped, why don't you manufacture some machine that breathing will come again? Why you cannot do it? Everyone knows it is air. Put some machine within and let there be breathing. Tell me why you cannot do it?
Mahendra: They have some machines like that, Srila Prabhupada.