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| <div class="heading">These are the terms, one who is serious to study this science of God, they'll learn all these things. So one who is very serious to understand the science of God, for him a guru is required. Don't try to keep a guru as a matter of fashion, that it has become a fashion to accept somebody, some rascal as guru, and say that "I have got my guru." What kind of guru you have got? You are talking nonsense. | | <div class="heading">These are the terms, one who is serious to study this science of God, they'll learn all these things. So one who is very serious to understand the science of God, for him a guru is required. Don't try to keep a guru as a matter of fashion, that it has become a fashion to accept somebody, some rascal as guru, and say that "I have got my guru." What kind of guru you have got? You are talking nonsense. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture What is a Guru? -- London, August 22, 1973|Lecture What is a Guru? -- London, August 22, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So guru is the representative of God. Therefore the śāstra says, the authority says, sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair. Guru is as good as God. Here, in this Vyāsa-pūjā day, we are teaching or they are doing, offering respect to guru. That means they are learning how to offer respect to God. It is not personal affair; it is required. Because they are trying to be God conscious, they must learn how to offer respect to God or God's representative. That is required. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair. In all the śāstra, Vedic literature, guru is described as good as God. But guru will never say that "I am God." The disciple's duty is to offer respect to guru as he offers respect to God. But guru will never say that "I am... Because my disciples are offering me respect as God, therefore I have become God." As soon as he thinks so, he becomes dog. He is no more God. Therefore Viśvanātha Cakravartī says... Why guru is offered respect like God? Kintu prabhor yaḥ priya eva tasya. Guru is offered the same respect as we offer respect to God. Just like in the morning. The other side, ārātrika was going on, offering to Kṛṣṇa, and this side was ārātrika was going on to offer respect to the spiritual master. The same respect. But guru will never say, and he's not that. Guru will never say, "Now I have become God." No. God does not become. God is always God. So God is God and guru is guru. But, as a matter of etiquette, God is the sevya God, worshipable God, and guru is the worshiper God. Just try to understand. Worshipable God and worshiper God. This is. Sevya bhagavān-sevaka bhagavān. Just like guru is addressed: "Prabhupāda." Prabhu means "the Lord" and pāda means "the position." "One who has taken the position of the Lord." The same thing: sākṣād-dharitvena, prabhupāda. These are the terms, one who is serious to study this science of God, they'll learn all these things. So one who is very serious to understand the science of God, for him a guru is required. Don't try to keep a guru as a matter of fashion, that it has become a fashion to accept somebody, some rascal as guru, and say that "I have got my guru." What kind of guru you have got? You are talking nonsense. Ācāryavān puruṣa veda. One who has accepted guru, he'll talk sense, where there is meaning. He'll never talk any nonsense. That is the sign that he has got guru. He has got the sacred thread. Yes, he's accepted by bona fide guru. That is the sign, sacred thread. So you are offering good respect to your spiritual master. That is very nice. You are very thankful. But at the same time we should remember that how to carry out the orders of the guru so that people may not think that you are talking nonsense. You must be very careful.</p> | | |
| <p>So in the Bhagavad-gītā also... I am reciting, citing various verses from various śāstras-Kaṭhopaniṣad, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Now here is another verse. Kṛṣṇa says, tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā, in the Bhagavad-gītā.</p>
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| :paripraśnena sevayā | | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture What is a Guru? -- London, August 22, 1973|Lecture What is a Guru? -- London, August 22, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| :upadekṣyanti te jñānaṁ | | So ''guru'' is the representative of God. Therefore the ''śāstra'' says, the authority says, ''sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair'' (''Śrī Śrī Gurv-aṣṭaka'' 7). ''Guru'' is as good as God. Here, in this Vyāsa-pūjā day, we are teaching, or they are doing, offering respect to ''guru''. That means they are learning how to offer respect to God. It is not personal affair; it is required. Because they are trying to be God conscious, they must learn how to offer respect to God or God's representative. That is required. ''Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair.'' In all the ''śāstra'', Vedic literature, ''guru'' is described as good as God. But ''guru'' will never say that, "I am God." The disciple's duty is to offer respect to ''guru'' as he offers respect to God. But ''guru'' will never say that, "I am . . . because my disciples are offering me respect as God, therefore I have become God." As soon as he thinks so, he becomes dog. He is no more God. |
| :jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ | | |
| :([[Vanisource:BG 4.34|BG 4.34]]) | | Therefore Viśvanātha Cakravartī says . . . why ''guru'' is offered respect like God? ''Kintu prabhor yaḥ priya eva tasya''. ''Guru'' is offered the same respect as we offer respect to God. Just like in the morning: The other side, ''ārātrika'' was going on, offering to Kṛṣṇa, God, and this side was ''ārātrika'' was going on to offer respect to the spiritual master. The same respect. But ''guru'' will never say, and he's not that. ''Guru'' will never say: "Now I have become God." No. God does not become. God is always God. So God is God and ''guru'' is ''guru''. But, as a matter of etiquette, God is the ''sevya'' God, worshipable God, and ''guru'' is the worshiper God. Just try to understand: worshipable God and worshiper God. This is. ''Sevya bhagavān-sevaka bhagavān.'' Just like ''guru'' is addressed "Prabhupāda." ''Prabhu'' means "the Lord" and ''pāda'' means "the position." "One who has taken the position of the Lord." The same thing: ''sākṣād-dharitvena, prabhupāda''. These are the terms. One who is serious to study this science of God, they'll learn all these things. |
| <p>So you have to learn from guru by three processes. What is that? First process is you must surrender. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta ([[Vanisource:SB 11.3.21|SB 11.3.21]]). Surrender. You have to find out such an exalted person where you can willingly surrender, "Yes." Therefore it is enjoined in the śāstras, before making a guru, try to study him, whether you can surrender there. Don't accept any guru all of a sudden as fanatic. No, don't do that. That is the injunction. And guru also must study the disciple who wants to become a disciple; must study him, whether he's fit for becoming a disciple. This is the way of making relationship between guru and disciple. Everything is there provided we take them seriously. Then we can train up how to become bona fide disciple, how to find out bona fide guru, how to establish our relationship with guru and act accordingly and make our life successful. Because guru's business is ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayā. Guru's business is to enlighten the disciple, because he's in darkness. In another place in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is said that parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam. Parābhavaḥ, parābhavaḥ means defeat. Defeat. So whose defeat? Parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto: one who is born rascal and fool. Everyone is born rascal and fool. Nobody, otherwise, if you are learned, if you are..., if you know things, then why do you go to a school and college and pass university? It is a fact. Animals. If we do not cultivate knowledge, then we are as good as animals. Now another animal is saying that there is no need of books, and he has become guru. But how you can get knowledge without authoritative studies of books and science and philosophy? But they are trying to avoid this. So imagine what kind of guru and what kind of disciple.</p>
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| <p>So śāstra says, parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto. Abodha-jāto. Everyone is born rascal, fool. He has to be enlightened, he has to be given knowledge, and he has to receive knowledge to make his life perfect. Therefore parābhavaḥ means one who does not make his life perfect, he's being defeated. What is the defeat? Struggle for existence. We are trying to get better life. Here also, in this life also, we are struggling hard for getting better position. So real better position we do not know. That is described in the Bhagavad-gītā: saḥ amṛtatvāya kalpate. Here in this material world there is no better position because there is death. You may possess a very good better position, but you'll have to give it up. Either the better position will give up you, or ultimately you have to give up that better position. You cannot stay. Suppose you have earned millions of dollars, millions of pounds: "Now we have got good bank balance." You think, "Now I am in the better position." A little dysentery, or cholera, dysentery—finished, better position. Or the bank fails—that better position gone. So there is no better position in this material world. It is a false. Therefore those who are trying to get better position in this material world, they are simply becoming defeated, because there is no better position. He's a rascal. He's thinking this is better position. What is better position? Then Bhagavad-gītā says the better position is amṛtatva. Saḥ amṛtatvāya kalpate: "Don't die. Keep your position firm." That is better position. So is there any science to give knowledge how one becomes immortal? Yes, there is. You can become immortal. Not in this material science; not in the so-called universities. But there is knowledge in the Vedic scripture by which you can become immortal. That is better position. No more death, no more birth, no more old age, no more disease. So guru's task is very great responsibility. He has to guide the disciple how to make him quite eligible candidate to get the perfect position, immortality, back to home, back to Godhead.</p>
| | So one who is very serious to understand the science of God, for him a ''guru'' is required. Don't try to keep a ''guru'' as a matter of fashion, that it has become a fashion to accept somebody, some rascal, as ''guru'', and say that, "I have got my ''guru''." What kind of ''guru'' you have got? You are talking nonsense. One who has accepted ''guru'', he'll talk sense, where there is meaning. He'll never talk any nonsense. That is the sign that he has got ''guru''. He has got the sacred thread. Yes, he's accepted by bona fide ''guru''. That is the sign, sacred thread. So you are offering good respect to your spiritual master. That is very nice. You are very thankful. But at the same time we should remember that how to carry out the orders of the ''guru'' so that people may not think that you are talking nonsense. You must be very careful. |
| <p>Thank you very much.</p>
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| | So in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' also . . . I am reciting, citing various verses from various ''śāstras—Kaṭhopaniṣad, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.'' Now here is another verse. Kṛṣṇa says, ''tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā'', in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. |
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| | :''tad viddhi praṇipātena'' |
| | :''paripraśnena sevayā'' |
| | :''upadekṣyanti te jñānaṁ'' |
| | :''jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ'' |
| | :([[vanisource:BG 4.34 (1972)|BG 4.34]]) |
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| | So you have to learn from ''guru'' by three process. What is that? First process is you must surrender. ''Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta'' ([[vanisource:SB 11.3.21|SB 11.3.21]]). Surrender. You have to find out such a exalted person where you can willingly surrender: "Yes." Therefore it is enjoined in the ''śāstras'', before making a ''guru'', try to study him, whether you can surrender there. Don't accept any ''guru'' all of a sudden, as fanatic. No, don't do that. That is the injunction. And ''guru'' also must study the disciple who wants to become a disciple; must study him, whether he's fit for becoming a disciple. This is the way of making relationship between ''guru'' and disciple. Everything is there, provided we take them seriously. Then we can be trained up how to become bona fide disciple, how to find out bona fide ''guru'', how to establish our relationship with ''guru'' and act accordingly and make our life successful. |
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| | Because ''guru's'' business is ''ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayā. Guru's'' business is to enlighten the disciple, because he's in darkness. In another place in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' it is said that ''parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam'' ([[vanisource:SB 5.5.5|SB 5.5.5]]). ''Parābhavaḥ. Parābhavaḥ'' means defeat. Defeat. So whose defeat? ''Parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto'': one who is born rascal and fool. Everyone is born rascal and fool. Nobody . . . otherwise, if you are learned, if you are . . . if you know things, then why do you go to school and college and pass university? It is a fact. Animals. If we do not cultivate knowledge, then we are as good as animals. Now another animal is saying that there is no need of books, and he has become ''guru''. But how you can get knowledge without authoritative studies of books and science and philosophy? But they are trying to avoid this. So imagine what kind of ''guru'' and what kind of disciple. |
