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| {{terms|"Not all sakti; two panca-tattva. Isavatara, tat-prakasa"|"avatara, they are not sakti. They are all the saktiman"}} | | {{terms|"Not all ''śakti''; two ''pañca-tattva. Īśāvatāra, tat-prakāśa avatāra'', they are not ''śakti''. They are all the ''śaktimān''"}} |
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| Prabhupāda: How he gives quotation from Buddhism? | | Prabhupāda: How he gives quotation from Buddhism? |
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| Indian man (2): No, he, he... | | Indian man (2): No, he, he . . . |
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| Prabhupāda: But he says from Buddhism. | | Prabhupāda: But he says from Buddhism. |
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| Indian man (2): He draws comparisons. He traces the historical background, and then the conditions prevalent..., conditions prevalent particularly in Orissa at that time Vyāsarūpa Gosvāmī lived. | | Indian man (2): He draws comparisons. He traces the historical background, and then the conditions prevalent . . . conditions prevalent particularly in Orissa at that time Vyāsarūpa Gosvāmī lived. |
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| Prabhupāda: One thing is that he says that it is from Buddhism. So where is the authoritative statement in the Buddhism about pañca-tattva? That he has not mentioned. | | Prabhupāda: One thing is that he says that it is from Buddhism. So where is the authoritative statement in the Buddhism about ''pañca-tattva''? That he has not mentioned. |
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| Indian man (2): No. He has said in Buddhism you have the principle of pañca-śaktis. | | Indian man (2): No. He has said in Buddhism you have the principle of ''pañca-śaktis''. |
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| Prabhupāda: Śakti and tattva is not the same thing. | | Prabhupāda: ''Śakti'' and ''tattva'' is not the same thing. |
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| Indian man (2): Well, yes. | | Indian man (2): Well, yes. |
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| Prabhupāda: Śakti is part of tattva. | | Prabhupāda: ''Śakti'' is part of ''tattva''. |
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| Indian man (2): But these pañca-tattvas... | | Indian man (2): But these ''pañca-tattvas'' . . . |
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| Prabhupāda: Śakti also can be taken as tattva. | | Prabhupāda: ''Śakti'' also can be taken as ''tattva''. |
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| Indian man (2): As tattva, yes. And these tattvas, pañca-tattvas, have been described as śaktis. These pañca-tattvas also have been described as śakti. | | Indian man (2): As ''tattva'', yes. And these ''tattvas, pañca-tattvas'', have been described as ''śaktis''. These ''pañca-tattvas'' also have been described as ''śakti''. |
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| Prabhupāda: But Caitanya Mahaprabhu as śaktimān, and others... | | Prabhupāda: But Caitanya Mahaprabhu as ''śaktimān'', and others . . . |
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| Indian man (2): As śakti. | | Indian man (2): As ''śakti''. |
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| Prabhupāda: Not all śakti; two pañca-tattva. Īśāvatāra, tat-prakāśa(?) avatāra, they are not śakti. They are all the śaktimān. | | Prabhupāda: Not all ''śakti''; two ''pañca-tattva. Īśāvatāra, tat-prakāśa avatāra'', they are not ''śakti''. They are all the ''śaktimān''. |
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| Indian man (2): Yes, yes. | | Indian man (2): Yes, yes. |
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| Prabhupāda: And only śakti-tattva, Gadādhara and Śrīvāsa. And other three, They are śaktimān-tattva. | | Prabhupāda: And only ''śakti-tattva'', Gadādhara and Śrīvāsa. And other three, They are ''śaktimān-tattva''. |
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| Indian man (2): They are śaktimān-tattva. | | Indian man (2): They are ''śaktimān-tattva''. |
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| Prabhupāda: Pañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta... ([[Vanisource:CC Adi 1.14|CC Adi 1.14]]). | | Prabhupāda: ''Pañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta'' . . . ([[vanisource:CC Adi 1.14|CC Adi 1.14]]). |
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| Indian man (2): That śloka is from Svarūpa Dāmodara, his kavaca, which he says nobody has ever seen. So it was very safe for Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja to quote the authority of this kavaca, because it is nonexistent. And that is his only authority for the pañca-tattva principle. A mention has also been made of this in Gaura-gaṇoddeśa-dīpikā, but he says that is not an authoritative work, that that doesn't really... | | Indian man (2): That ''śloka'' is from Svarūpa Dāmodara, his ''kavaca'', which he says nobody has ever seen. So it was very safe for Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja to quote the authority of this ''kavaca'', because it is nonexistent. And that is his only authority for the ''pañca-tattva'' principle. A mention has also been made of this in ''Gaura-gaṇoddeśa-dīpikā'', but he says that is not an authoritative work, that that doesn't really . . . |
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| Prabhupāda: That means whatever he says, that is authority. | | Prabhupāda: That means whatever he says, that is authority. |
